So what'dya think?
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So what'dya think?
The performances(Trip, Phlox, Archer) were great. What made this episode was the scene in Trip's quarters (sp) with Archer. Even though i lean towards action/plot oriented episodes, this one was pretty amazing. So if you like character driven episodes then this might be the one to catch. Archer really showed that he got a pair. The third season of Enterprise has been unbelievable. I hope it keeps up and I hope that Manny Coto delivers another great episode.
I like the way the ST Enterprise writing is going . THis one showed just why good people make the wrong choice .
Everyone knew why the clone was being created for spare parts and this is an evil thing to do . The clone trip wanted to live and who could blame him , but he will not let someone esle die .
Dr Phalops ( I can not think of the correct spelling ) actions in this matter was very narrow to save Trip and then give the clone the life saving . But the human clone would die from the transplant stopped him from even telling anyone about untlil caught .
I can type for pages on this show . Who knows maybe use correct spelling and grammer .
And the hits just keep on coming!
This was an outstanding episode. Characterizations were right on the mark. Each and every actor gave their all for this one and the ethical dilemma was so well played that I clouded up at the end- for a TV show!:eek:
But I gave it a 9. Why? Because they blew it with the science. I don't care how wimpy shuttlepod engines are- they produce more thrust than the Enterprise's attitude thrusters! Even a miniscule thrust is going to move the ship at some acceleration. Having it just sit there and then finally lurch into motion was very unrealistic- unless there was something physically holding it back. Then I withdraw my objection. (And don't anyone try to tell me that the crap on the hull would prevent acceleration imparted by towing shuttlepods.)
Fantastic work! Just one glitch.
I thought this was a very powerful episode. The ethical dilemmas were very well done, and engendered a great deal of thought on the part of the viewer.
Excellent acting and writing. Archer, Phlox, Trip, and the younger Trip's did an outstanding job.
Truly a great episode - this season is really turning into something outstanding!
Chris
I'll give the writers some credit for asking the hard questions. But at the end, Sim's change of heart allowed them to not answer those questions. That was good and believable for Sim's character arc, but it took away from the other character's responsibility for what they had done.
Powers, that quibble about the shuttle engines bugged me too. Doesn't the show have a science advisor? I learned that "Acceleration Equals Force Divided By Mass" way back in junior high.
I gave the show an 8. It didn't have a lot of action but was very thought-provoking. The ethical dilemma faced by Archer seemed very real to me. Even though he wasn't forced to make Sim go through the procedure, Sim really didn't have many options. There was no where for him to go, & unless Phlox performed the experimental surgery on him, Sim was going to die in a few days anyway. I wonder how Tripp feels knowing that Sim had to die to save him.
Of course, Archer & the crew could have saved themselves some of the emotional heartaches by keeping Sim unconcious in sickbay while he was maturing. They didn't have to interact w/ him. Of course, the story would be less interesting that way.
It also makes one think about the nature of ourselves. What makes us unique? Is it our memories? Our experiences? Our DNA? If my memories & DNA can be copied onto another being who looks just like me physically, is that creature/clone me? If everything I am can be copied by science, is there nothing about me which is unique & which only I possess?
We can already clone animals & human organs. It's really only a matter of time b/f someone will clone a human being (leaving crackpot claims aside). We may be forced to ask those questions very soon.
Woohoo! There it is - the obligatory "2" vote. I've been waiting all day....
Chris
chances are he or she didn't watch the episode
I loved this episode. And I also had a science issue, but not yours :) -- the clone having Trip's memories surfacing was completely bogus, but good for storytelling.Quote:
Originally posted by Cmdr Powers
Because they blew it with the science. I don't care how wimpy shuttlepod engines are- they produce more thrust than the Enterprise's attitude thrusters! Even a miniscule thrust is going to move the ship at some acceleration. Having it just sit there and then finally lurch into motion was very unrealistic- unless there was something physically holding it back. Then I withdraw my objection. (And don't anyone try to tell me that the crap on the hull would prevent acceleration imparted by towing shuttlepods.)
As far as the ship, the problem with the ship was that the interaction of the 'crud' on the hull and the 'cloud' they were in was generating some type of very strong magnetic field. This could conceivable keep the ship stationary until enough force was exerted to 'pop' them out of it.
I gave it an 8.
Generally a very well done show, but the choice they may, having Sim agree to sacrifice himself, did free them from answering questions about the ethical implications of what they'd done. As Sarge said, this worked to establish Sim as a sympathetic character. It's possible this was done precisely because the writer wished to pose the questions, start the exploration of the answers, and then leave it at that.
The other sequence that cost it was the towing sequence. In fact, *any* amount of thrust should have been sufficient to start the ship moving, unless there was some counterforce (like gravity) holding it there -- such was not mentioned. Also, the idea that they were barely 70 klicks inside the cloud, considering their initial speed, seems fairly hard to believe (~6 hours at 12kph). But, considering that this entire "trap" was really just a backstory, this is kind of a nit.
Overall, a fine episode, and whatever they've done, I hope they keep doing it.
Especially welcome was the idea that Archer has finally reached down and found a pair -- something he'll need, in order to survive cut off from Earth. Also, this episode opens the door for other stories -- what is it going to cost Archer and the crew, ethically, to succeed here. I hope the writers can explore this.
Well, I'm definitely looking forward to watching this on Sunday. :)
So far, I've really liked this season; I think this is the best so far. The issue was great; I really liked that Archer was willing to do the absolute wrong thing -- dragging him down to the sickbay by force. The acting was great from all the principal characters.
The shuttles not moving the ship didn't bug me much. The memories works with the 'genetic memory' theories that have still to be proven/disproven.
Slightly off topic,but I was just watching SpikeTV's Trek Uncut tonight.They were showing Gambit pts 1&2.The Vulcan Renegade Tallera I.D.ed herself to Picard as T'Pol of the Vulcan Intelligence Service.Hum kind of makes you wonder?;) T'Pol was an Intel agent earlier in her career on Enterprise,& she has been becomming very emotional as the series progress.:rolleyes:
The eidsode was okay. His Sim's last words were short and that made it a bit heart breaking. His last words were not what I'd expect to hear from a Good Ol' Boy. Usually a Good Ol' Boy's last words are "Hey Cletus! Watch this!"