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09-16-2001, 04:57 PM
Captain Zymmer

Season Finale Help?

Hi there...I am currently running a series called Star Trek:Lexington. It is set on a Sovereign class vessel in the year 2378.

Nowe are about to go into our 18th episdoe, and that means we are about 6 to 9 episodes away from the season finale (I have to decide if I go 23 or 26 episodes for the first season)

That said I am looking for a really kick ass idea for the season finale and I am drwing a blank. I want it to be heavy on roleplaying, some action and be sure to have all my players involved.

Anyone care to spitball with me?

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09-16-2001, 06:41 PM
Steele1701

The season finale idea I am tossing around in my head is for the crew to be trapped on a heavily damaged Kinshaya ship while there is driven off or captures by renegade Caradassians. My series is set after the Dominion war so these Cardies refuse to surrender to anyone. This is just in the idea stage so we will see where it goes.

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09-16-2001, 06:56 PM
Captain Zymmer

What are Kinshaya?

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09-16-2001, 08:49 PM
Captain Zymmer

Okay so Gmarius and i were just hacking some stuff out on #lugtrek and I think I am going to Take a Magna-Roman angle on this whole season finale.

Already I have had the Magna-Roman people rise up and kill the emperor and his entire family...so now the Senate rules...they declared their independance from the Federation as well.

Prime Directive being what it is, hey backed down and said okay, but kept a close eye.

Now using their monies they have been paying the Ferengi (?) to take salvaged ships from the Dominion War and build them a small fleet. A Franken-fleet to be sure, but more than enough to accomplish their tasks.

With one almost intact Excellsior, Ambassador and MIranada (rebuilt for pieces of many) they have some fire power, with scavanged weapons and what have you.

They will start about 5 episodes before the end by annexing a warp-ermerging civilization near to them, but under the protection fo the Prime Directive.

And I am stuck...any help with my SPQMR? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

I want to end the Season with them raiding and conquroing Bajor and signing a mutal defense treaty with the Romulans...securring Romulan access to the Gamma Quadrant. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Ideas, opinions, help?

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09-17-2001, 03:12 AM
Rixx Telar

I can't help with an idea but in my campaign we got up to 18 episodes. I plotted out ideas for the last three episodes and they died two short. They all died. But what do you expect when you decloak and don't raise your sheilds.

Ahh well.
09-17-2001, 04:22 AM
USS Intrepid

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Originally posted by Steele1701:
The season finale idea I am tossing around in my head is for the crew to be trapped on a heavily damaged Kinshaya ship while there is driven off or captures by renegade Caradassians. My series is set after the Dominion war so these Cardies refuse to surrender to anyone. This is just in the idea stage so we will see where it goes.

Ohhhhhhhh, the Kinshaya. The ugly bat guys from FASA Trek. I remember those guys, they made pretty good bad guys.

Hmm, wonder where all my old FASA stuff is. Can you remember which sourcebook they were in? Was it the Klingon one? It's been that long since I looked.

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09-17-2001, 05:51 AM
USS Intrepid

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:

With one almost intact Excellsior, Ambassador and MIranada (rebuilt for pieces of many) they have some fire power, with scavanged weapons and what have you.

I want to end the Season with them raiding and conquroing Bajor and signing a mutal defense treaty with the Romulans...securring Romulan access to the Gamma Quadrant. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Ideas, opinions, help?

ONly a small point, but I'd hope they're going to have a much bigger fleet than that if they're going to conquor Bajor. Given the size of fleets DS9 and the Defiant has fought off in the past, and the fact that Starfleet would mobilise a large fleet to defend Bajor as well, I don't think that would be easy.

Of course, if it was easy, it wouldn't be worth doing.

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09-17-2001, 11:14 AM
Kaiddin

Quote:

Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Okay so Gmarius and i were just hacking some stuff out on #lugtrek and I think I am going to Take a Magna-Roman angle on this whole season finale.

I want to end the Season with them raiding and conquroing Bajor and signing a mutal defense treaty with the Romulans...securring Romulan access to the Gamma Quadrant. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Ideas, opinions, help?

Bajor may be a little much. Especially if the MR only have a small fleet. If the former Fed ships are just the first rank ships (fleet command ships) and they have other smaller ships to help... It would be a short occupation though. I could only see it being effective because the attack came so out of left field.

I'm setting my episode up in screenplay format. The visual you got me thinking about was just too perfect for the teaser that I just had to go with it. The Excelsior class ship is not the same as in the main time line. Imagine the saucer and secondary hull combined with no "neck" and the warp nacelles amidships bent down. Similar to the Fed carrier on some websites. Specifically recalling the age when the Empire had biremes and triremes.
I decided not to use bireme, trireme, et al for the classes of the Imperial ships but wanted to give something that sounded Roman. This is what I've come up with: Galea Sagitta - Miranda class, Galea Palatina - Constitution class, and Galea Primaria - Excelsior class. They also use proelia (fighters).
http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif now to expand from a one shot store to at least a two parter.

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09-17-2001, 01:06 PM
Captain Zymmer

The opening Kaiddin is referring to is as follows;

We see an alien space platform...a ship is moving into posistion with thrusters. A count down occurs, the ship fires off it's warp engines and shoots across the solar system.

People celebrate onboard the station, the warp test sucessful...

Across the system as the pilots get ready for the return trip, we see a starship iff in the distance...as they look at it, we the viewer recognize it as an Excellsior class startship...already in our minds we think of First Contact and all that...but as it get's closer and the pilots stare in awe, phaser fire lashes out from it, cutting the warps ship to pieces.

As the ship travels over the debris, we get a good look at the underside of the primary hull. Emblazoned there is a Red Eagle, and in its chest a gold wreath and the letters SPQR (or SPQMR in my case)....

We cut back to the space station, where someone notices the ship coming in, and his alien eyes fill with fear. We cut to what he is seeing, as the Excelsior comes, behind it are a half dozen other ships...mirandas, old connie refits, what have you...cut to credits.

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09-17-2001, 04:25 PM
Kaiddin

Sagitta = Arrow (Poetic licence looking down)
Palatina = Imperial palace (elite ships)
Primaria = First (First rank. Battleship)
09-17-2001, 04:54 PM
Captain Zymmer

Cool...thanks for the info http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-17-2001, 05:24 PM
Talon Kane

We are up to our 53rd episode, so we are into season 3 (with about 24 episodes a season). My game takes place at Deep Space 9 and its about 3 years after the season finale. They have encountered a new alien race called the Nekul (think darker and nastier than Babylon 5 Shadow creatures). The Nekul are ancient enemies of the Prophets. The Prophets (to help protect themselves and the other races) abducted thousands of people of all races and species and modified them. The people modified (one of the characters) learn they are called Ra'Gee through a number of ancient Bajoran texts and they are to help fight off the Nekul.

Anyway, Benjamin Sisko, the Emissary, returns in the 2nd season finale to help the characters find more Ra'Gee (they were scattered throughout the galaxy and some were captured by the Nekul). After fighting off a bunch of Nekul ships and returned to DS9, they are ambushed at DS9 by hundreds of Nekul ships. DS9 goes down in flames, literally, every escapes and runs, and major NPCs are killed. For all they knew, the entire Bajor sector was now controlled by the Nekul. Nothing better than ending a season on a bummer. :-)

So give us some plot about your campaign and let's see what ideas we can come up with.
09-17-2001, 07:03 PM
Captain Zymmer

Interesting stuff.

It has some Babylon 5 elements in it, but still enough DS9 to make it flow...I like that http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

As for my campaign, I am actually trying to make the season finale not too heavy on already active subplots.

That said if I go with the Magna-Roman thingy, it does play on an already established subplot involing our helmsman who is Magna-Roman and his brothers are following the General who is leading this Nova Glorificus http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-17-2001, 09:54 PM
Kaiddin

Capt. Zymmer
How about Legatus for General. And Nova Gloriationis for the ship (New pride in one's self)
09-18-2001, 12:49 AM
Captain Zymmer

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Originally posted by USS Intrepid:
Ohhhhhhhh, the Kinshaya. The ugly bat guys from FASA Trek. I remember those guys, they made pretty good bad guys.

Oh those guys, bat-bears...with the round ships...I remember them...not bad, I wouldn't use them today but not bad http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-18-2001, 12:54 AM
Captain Zymmer

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Originally posted by USS Intrepid:
ONly a small point, but I'd hope they're going to have a much bigger fleet than that if they're going to conquor Bajor. Given the size of fleets DS9 and the Defiant has fought off in the past, and the fact that Starfleet would mobilise a large fleet to defend Bajor as well, I don't think that would be easy. Of course, if it was easy, it wouldn't be worth doing.

Well the idea would be that they conquor a bunch of smaller worlds first, and set to slave labour building them ships by the truck load, those that don't build get drafted into the Legio Alienus Mortuus to be used as shock troops that can be poured into any fight, long past the point any rational would have considered it too costly.

But perhaps Bajor has had enough of the boot for now, maybe I should have them go on a tear through the TOS planets and conquor them one by one http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-18-2001, 12:57 AM
Captain Zymmer

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Originally posted by Kaiddin:
Bajor may be a little much. Especially if the MR only have a small fleet. If the former Fed ships are just the first rank ships (fleet command ships) and they have other smaller ships to help... It would be a short occupation though. I could only see it being effective because the attack came so out of left field.

True, but I think I will do the tour of the TOS Humanoids instead, avoiding the ones with super powers of course http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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I'm setting my episode up in screenplay format. The visual you got me thinking about was just too perfect for the teaser that I just had to go with it. The Excelsior class ship is not the same as in the main time line. Imagine the saucer and secondary hull combined with no "neck" and the warp nacelles amidships bent down. Similar to the Fed carrier on some websites. Specifically recalling the age when the Empire had biremes and triremes.

Sounds neato...I would love to take a look at those if you ever get pics done up http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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I decided not to use bireme, trireme, et al for the classes of the Imperial ships but wanted to give something that sounded Roman. This is what I've come up with: Galea Sagitta - Miranda class, Galea Palatina - Constitution class, and Galea Primaria - Excelsior class. They also use proelia (fighters).

Could you translate those words and tell us what they mean? Sagitta, Palatina, Primaria?

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http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif now to expand from a one shot store to at least a two parter.

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Let me know how it all turns out dude http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-18-2001, 03:32 AM
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09-18-2001, 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by Kaiddin:
Capt. Zymmer
How about Legatus for General. And Nova Gloriationis for the ship (New pride in one's self)

Did someone call me?

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09-18-2001, 06:43 PM
Talon Kane

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Interesting stuff.

It has some Babylon 5 elements in it, but still enough DS9 to make it flow...I like that http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Thank you. :-) My players seem to love it.

As for my campaign, I am actually trying to make the season finale not too heavy on already active subplots.

That said if I go with the Magna-Roman thingy, it does play on an already established subplot involing our helmsman who is Magna-Roman and his brothers are following the General who is leading this Nova Glorificus http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

I would definitely go with the Magna-Roman idea. This way, you have a plot that can lead into larger issues, plus you personally get the players involved.
09-19-2001, 12:17 AM
Kaiddin

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Originally posted by Kaiddin:
Capt. Zymmer
How about Legatus for General.

Imperator would be the correct term but it is associated with emperor and could cause confusion.
09-19-2001, 07:37 PM
Captain Zymmer

Already approached him, but he is worried that people would steal his ideas...so I have to make sure not to use any of his stuff.

So I have to make up my stuff all myself http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-20-2001, 12:37 AM
aelius

If you are looking for good Magna Roman ideas then you should visit www.ussliberty.net a fanfic site that is a definate cut above the usual weak stuff you find.
The author has an interesting Magna Roman rebirth of empire storyline that you might mine for ideas.
09-20-2001, 01:55 PM
Caretaker

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Nowe are about to go into our 18th episdoe, and that means we are about 6 to 9 episodes away from the season finale (I have to decide if I go 23 or 26 episodes for the first season)

That said I am looking for a really kick ass idea for the season finale and I am drwing a blank. I want it to be heavy on roleplaying, some action and be sure to have all my players involved.

I would go the 26-episode route since you've made it this far, but have two of the episodes be a two-parter ala "Workforce" or telefilm ala "Dark Frontier". Have the adventure be larger than what the crew usually is involved in.

As for the season finale, one idea is that the Romulans have suddenly turned hostile on the two deep-space vessels sent to rendevous with the USS Voyager. They are limping their way back home after being attacked by rogue Romulan forces, and your ship is sent to meet up and escort them home, while helping the Romulans catch those who initiated these unauthorized attacks.
09-20-2001, 03:52 PM
SIR SIG

Very nice Zymmer! I look forward to hearing more, since i'm a student of the ol' Roman days.

With your Legions/groundforces/shocktroops are you going to maintain Roman formations/ranks etc? ie Cohorts, Maniples etc.

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09-20-2001, 09:21 PM
Kaiddin

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Originally posted by SIR SIG:
Very nice Zymmer! I look forward to hearing more, since i'm a student of the ol' Roman days.

With your Legions/groundforces/shocktroops are you going to maintain Roman formations/ranks etc? ie Cohorts, Maniples etc.

He is going to use the reforms of Gaius Marius. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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09-21-2001, 03:19 AM
SIR SIG

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He is going to use the reforms of Gaius Marius. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

gmarius

So we're gonna have 'Marius's Mules' then http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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09-21-2001, 11:57 AM
Kaiddin

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So we're gonna have 'Marius's Mules' then http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

Of course.... Runabouts. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
09-21-2001, 11:58 AM
Kaiddin

About 25 miles a day. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
09-21-2001, 03:20 PM
SIR SIG

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Originally posted by Kaiddin:
About 25 miles a day. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

I'm sure we could squeeze out another 5 http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

And ROTFLMAO on the runabouts http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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09-23-2001, 04:31 PM
Captain Zymmer

Marius Mules? I don't get it...not being a huge Roman-o-phile http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Anyone care to explain?

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09-24-2001, 06:39 AM
SIR SIG

Well without looking at a book, the rough answer is this.

Gaius Marius was a military dictator before even Caesar himself. c. 200's BC

He made masive reforms to to the Roman Legions, especially the terms of service, standard equipment and pay.

Because the legion were kitted out with everything they would need and there massive discipline toward forced marches c. 30+ miles a day.

Thus the term Marius's Mules was used.

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09-24-2001, 08:01 AM
ghosty

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Originally posted by SIR SIG:
Well without looking at a book, the rough answer is this.

Gaius Marius was a military dictator before even Caesar himself. c. 200's BC

He made masive reforms to to the Roman Legions, especially the terms of service, standard equipment and pay.

Because the legion were kitted out with everything they would need and there massive discipline toward forced marches c. 30+ miles a day.

Thus the term Marius's Mules was used.

Gauis Marius came to prominence in Roman history in 107 BC when he was elected Consul (chief executive) of the Roman Republic. The first of an unprecedented 7 consulships.

SIG is right about his military inovations, he recurited Rome's first professional army and he probably invented most of what soldiers of today hate the most, full kit (about 20 KGs) and a daily march of 25+ kilometres. Prior to Marius, Roman legionaries marched with their personal pack mules and slaves slowing the legion's strategic mobility. Marius abolished the personal pack mules assigning one mule to each decury ("squad") of ten men (to carry their tent and other squad items. Since the men had to carry their own gear, they called themselves Marius Mules. Here endeth the lesson.
09-24-2001, 11:18 AM
Kaiddin

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Marius Mules? I don't get it...not being a huge Roman-o-phile http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
09-24-2001, 03:42 PM
SIR SIG

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Originally posted by ghosty:
Gauis Marius came to prominence in Roman history in 107 BC when he was elected Consul (chief executive) of the Roman Republic. The first of an unprecedented 7 consulships.

SIG is right about his military inovations, he recurited Rome's first professional army and he probably invented most of what soldiers of today hate the most, full kit (about 20 KGs) and a daily march of 25+ kilometres. Prior to Marius, Roman legionaries marched with their personal pack mules and slaves slowing the legion's strategic mobility. Marius abolished the personal pack mules assigning one mule to each decury ("squad") of ten men (to carry their tent and other squad items. Since the men had to carry their own gear, they called themselves Marius Mules. Here endeth the lesson.

Like I said, without looking at a book; 100 years out aint so bad http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
'We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

Yeah but only this once http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

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09-27-2001, 07:09 PM
Captain Zymmer

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We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thank you my dark lord http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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09-27-2001, 11:10 PM
Kaiddin

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Thank you my dark lord http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

I knew that Darth Vader's theme plays everytime I enter a room. I thought only women and small children could hear it.
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09-28-2001, 01:50 AM
Phantom

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:

And I am stuck...any help with my SPQMR? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

I want to end the Season with them raiding and conquroing Bajor and signing a mutal defense treaty with the Romulans...securring Romulan access to the Gamma Quadrant. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Ideas, opinions, help?

SPQR-Senatus Populus Que Romanus! I got that.

SPQMR? M=?

Neat idea. I shall have to keep my eye on this.

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09-28-2001, 02:54 AM
Captain Zymmer

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Originally posted by Phantom:
SPQMR? M=?

Neat idea. I shall have to keep my eye on this.

The M stands for Magnus or Magna (not sure if the syntax there) but these are the Magna-Romans http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

This will be a story arc I run in Season 2 now, and I won't use Bajor, but instead start a tour deforce of TOS races, human looking for sure and some who were not...

The Kappalans, the Elasians, the Troyians, etc...

In fact anyone got a cool list of the non-super powerful TOS races?

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09-29-2001, 12:22 AM
Phantom

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Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
The M stands for Magnus or Magna (not sure if the syntax there) but these are the Magna-Romans http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

It fits well enough
SPQMR-The Senate and the People of Magna Romanus. I think the latin sounds better in this case.

It was mentioned above that someone was looking for a Roman term for General. Difficult as the term came much later, literally an officer who was in command of an army...generally.

The term Imperator could work, though traditionally a commander could only accept the rank as an honourorium from his men...the army gave him that title. This would allow him to demand a triumph in Rome. The title you are looking for, just hit me while I was watching Gladiator (I love that movie)...That being Dux Bellorum, meaning Great Warrior/Leader of men. I also believe there was a title Magister Militaris, not sure will have to look that last one up. I'll let you know. Basically Master of the Military.

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