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@#&*!
Why did they go to all the trouble of bringing in new blood, just to cancel the show almost immediately afterwards? They didn't even give the show time to get turned around in the new direction before they pulled the plug.
It's almost as if they're making decisions in tandem with Decipher. :rolleyes:
[Quintesson:] GUILTY.
Executions all around!
It's possible the rumors from awhile back -- that they wanted this season so they'd have enough episodes to syndicate -- were true all along.
It's also possible that UPN is simply not satisfied with the performance vs. the cost, and figures that it can do better in that hour -- perhaps with more of its targeted programming.
Dawn Ostroff is on record as praising Berman's accomplishments in the past, which tells me something about her judgement.
I think it might not be a coincidence that this happened shortly after rumors that the studio was deeply unhappy with Berman's treatment for a new Trek movie. If that rumor is true, it might be that the studio has decided the franchise needs a rest, needs entirely new creative talent, or some combination of the two.
Spike You were right your source turned about to be right. Enterprise is over. So far your source is 8 of 8 now. Impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike
Not many shows are given enough time to gain new audience, whether it is a new show or having been running for some time now. Granted, they turned things around to the point where I myself am beginning to change my mind, but I'm guessing others are not convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
Yeah, I know it sucks. The question is, will the franchise find another network to broadcast? For me, I hope it is not cable. And as everyone have pointed out, the syndication market isn't what it used to be in the 90's, where we had TNG, DS9, Xena, and Hercules. (You could scoff at the last two but at least they ran for at least six seasons each.)
I sit here composing some thought and I find myself doing two things. On one side I wish to laugh and cackle madly. The other just wants to shrug in complete ambivalence.
I ask you all to bear with me amount as I churn out a few of my own thoughts on Enterprise.
For the most part Enterprise failed for several reasons:
1.) Poor Story writing - This has become a kind of lost art as the mass media machine turns out reality programming and doles out programming for the "hip" crowd.
2.) Lousy Character depth - Most of the characters on board the NX-01 were very one dimensional. Now granted it can be said of the 60's era TOS. Please keep in mind that when Star Trek first aired, Science Fiction wasn't as big as it is today. Star Trek was described as Wagon Train to the stars and pretty much went from there.
3.) Poor Management - Berman was definitely a poor choice to take over as head of the Star Trek franchise. Granted DS9 was a godsend (MHOO), he was not the best choice to take over. The only person I could think of that could do anything to oversee the development of the Trek series would have been J. Michael Strazinski. I know I know... he had the idea for a Station in space, crossroads, etc etc... we'll address that in a few moments.
4.) Disregard for Cannon - Now folks lets realize something here... Paramount didn't do a very good job with this one for all versions of Star Trek, so let's not hold the torch to any one individual in production. This will also be addressed in a few moments...
5.) One White Star, Col Jack (With two LL's!!) O'Neill and John Crichton to go please! Yes folks, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1 and Farscape definitely raised the bar for what a good quality Sci-fi show should be. In short we got supremely spoiled on good writing, character depth, and character development. Not to mention the consistancy over the course of the season.
6.) The true death of Star Trek - Okay here I say it so pardon me for running fast and very far when I say it was the fans. Yes us.
:::Ducks:::
Yes we helped the show in its demise. Instead of showing our concern, we bashed it. Instead of offering suggestions, we criticized how things should have been done. In other words ladies and gentlemen, we killed it by telling Paramount we don't like it and they can shove it. Is this a harsh statement? Yes. Let's admit it. How many of us do not find something to nitpick about? Or critique ad nauseum?
Now don't get me wrong. The fault doesn't completely fall on us. It also falls on Paramount. They took something that had such a positive message and turned it into something they could squeeze every quantum ounce of latinum out of. Instead of seeing the trend in writing change to something that would draw people in, they stuck to the same formulae that ultimately drove us away.
I think the fault of Enterprise's cancellation rests with us all. Not solely on Paramount, Berman, Braga, or Cotto.
I'll try to look on the positive side, and think that this will allow us to avoid the 6th and 7th season syndrome which plagued TNG and DS9, where one episode out of three was extremely bad (ok, make it one episode out of four for DS9).
Since I like Enterprise, that leaves me with 4 overall good seasons to watch.
Now I wonder which Trek we'll get now : no Trek, another series (please make it not be the StarFleet Academy concept), a few years waiting, or lots and lots of syndication (reproducing what happened during the 70's with TOS).
Hmm.. Well, yet again, an american show is cancelled before we even get to see it here. I really think if they took into consideration European and worldwide viewing figures they might have thought differently, but I guess it was not to be.
Bummer. I liked three of the four seasons (didn't like/eventually lost interest the Xindi arc) and thought the current season was how they should have done the show from the start - use what is known in interesting ways but in a way still attractive to people unfamiliar with nearly 40 years of Trek history.
As for what is next, I'm guessing a "reimagination" like Battlestar Galactica. But probably not for several years.
Just when Ent was starting to get good, it goes the way of Firefly... :(
Meanwhile, Andromeda has gone so far downhill that it hit rockbottom and is now somewhere subterranean and still getting worse, but it's still on.
DEAR GOD, SOMEONE STOP THE MADNESS!!!
OK, vent over. Move along.
UPN is in midst of changing its programming ‘parameters’ from ‘general’ to ‘urban youth’ and ‘young female’…no, I don’t understand why either…anyway Ent. obviously doesn’t meet either requirement (no urban youth would identify with any character, and no self respecting lady [young or otherwise] would cheer any of the female characters on this show).
Stranger still, WWE Smackdown doesn’t meet the new programming criteria either, and that means it’s could be going on the chopping block…despite the fact that IT’S THE NETWORK’S #1 SHOW!!! That’s in both ratings and demographics for those playing.
So, if UPN’s willing to dump it’s “breadwinner”…what makes fans think that Ent. should/could be saved…?
Jump to another network.Quote:
Originally Posted by Modem
I was with you for most of your list, but a few things of note/correction:
Character Depth: “They” went to Ira Berr and were warned about this back after season two…and did NOTHING…
Poor Management: Berman wasn’t the man responsible for DS9’s success, nor was the collective team of “Them”. No, in singles it goes to Ron D(S9) Morre. Team-wise, add Ira Berr…
Disregarding Canon/‘Positive/Creative’ Fan Input: It wasn’t Paramount’s ‘job’ to play ‘time-police’ with this series, it was “Theirs”…and don’t tell me you’ve never heard one of there famous “We don’t give a **** about continuity” speeches?!?! “They” were making those as far back as Voyager (and everybody knows how good that shows ‘timeline’ was). Anyway, when Trek-fans began the “Your doing Ent. wrong, the events should be more like…” what did “They” do? Instead of saying even a backhanded ‘thank you’, “They” screamed ‘CONTINUITY PORNOGRAPHERS’ at the people who were trying to HELP “Them”…
“US”…you’ve got to be joking, as I’ve outlined; those ‘in charge’ are clearly the ones ‘at fault’
“They” DID NOT stick to the formula, “They” CHANGED the formula (and thus the continuity/timeline)…can you say “New Coke”…And “They” are the ones to blame for this, this…abomination of a series. And Coto isn’t clear of spatter either, many stories he’s responsible for are also contributors to the erosion of the fan base (incl. Klingon-forehead stories, Section 31 intros, showing the ‘Mirror Universe’ for the ‘first time’).
I just hope the Save Enterprise (and the like) are ignored this time…this show had FOUR YEARS to prove it’s self…TWO and even THREE MORE then most…
And REG, jumping to another network won’t solve the problems, nor will syndicating new episodes, the show stinks no matter how it’s pushed (preferably into oncoming traffic).
To be brutally honest, this season is better than the previous seasons. I hope it will come back. We still need to get rid of B&B but it is doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Modem
I get the impression that you'd rather throw out the baby along with the bathwater.
Hmm. The development of Enterprise's cancellation makes me wonder if Decipher will decide not to produce any new RPG material since there'll be no televised Star Trek to provide public visibility for the product.
Are you worried they're going to squat on the RPG license until it expires? That depends on whether the new releases of products will sell well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezri's Toy