Not your average Trek vs. Wars...

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Originally Posted by Doug Burke

I actually did a Star Wars crossover in an old Trek game, and I tried to be as even-handed as possible. Might try doing it again in CODA with the more abstract starship combat system....

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I've done a couple over the years. The first from D6 SW to FASA TREK, the second fromt D6SW to LUGTrek, and the 3rd from D20 SW to CODA Trek. (I was thinking of doing a Blake's7 type SW campaing, with the rebels getting thier hands on a TREK ship like a B'rel-class or Defiant-class).

In the D20/CODA conversion, I went with the assumption that a SW medium laser equalled a Star Trek medium laser.

The overall effect was that TREK ships ended up with more powerful weapons than SW ships (Death Stars excepted), but this was offset by the STAR WARS captical ships having a lot more guns. Many other factors also counterbalanced (WARS hypderdrives are faster than TREK warp drives, but TREK ships can fight at FTL speeds).

Or, conversely, the Death Star could meet up with a Borg Cube. While they may be able to blast the Cube itself (and they'd better get the whole thing in one shot, and pray it doesn't have a timesphere), if the Borg beam over, that's all she wrote. Jedi Mind tricks are no match for a collective brain.

And since we're talking about the borg . . . why have we not seen small blue borg . . . or small fury borg talking tagalog?

Or what about Velociborg?

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Originally Posted by First of Two

Or, conversely, the Death Star could meet up with a Borg Cube. While they may be able to blast the Cube itself (and they'd better get the whole thing in one shot, and pray it doesn't have a timesphere), if the Borg beam over, that's all she wrote. Jedi Mind tricks are no match for a collective brain.

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That's all we need-Darth Vader with Borg upgrades. :eek:


You have hit upon one of the things about mixing universes. Each side ends of with some serious vulnerabilities due to the differences in setting and technology. Each side also ends up with abilities that the other either cannot match and/or are not aware of. The Borg (at least early TNG era Borg) would be devasting to the Empire. THey can bypass shields, slice up samples of the ship, andcould probably assimilate a Death Star (Hmm, those Borg spheres do look sort of Death-starish).



On the other hand, a Death Star would be very difficult for the Federation to deal with. It would be something that could appear out of nowhere, capable of taking out a planet in a single shot, and then disappear for parts unknown (Since SW ships travel through hyperspace). While the Federation would eventually catch on and determine a way to counter the Death Star, the "trail and error" nature of the encounters would be very costly.

It always amuses me that, for some reason, in all starwars VS startrek battles, the Borg, Hirogen, Federation, Klingons, V'Ger, Wormhole aliens and any other wierdo's join forces to fight the combined might of the empire and the Rebels :D

To that I say.. the Emperor and Darth Vader are all powerful, untill Q turns them into ameoba :D

Killing everyone on a random planet can be a very bad move in Trek, as the Husnocks found out (The Survivors, TNG S3). :eek:

Having Q pestering the emperor and Vader sounds like a fun idea. :D He would probably drive them crazy.

Anyone who have melted the settings together? As an example, instead of the the Dominion War, having Trek and SW space reach eachother. Cardassia and Romulan would probably end up on the same side of the Empire. UFP tries to stay neutral and diplomatic as usual, but ends up joining forces with the rebellion. Orion syndicate ends up trading and fighting the Huts.

This would ofcourse end up in a merging of technologies.
"Captain! Death Star decloaking at one zero five mark ten!" :eek: :D

Depends which era Trek of course but... The Romulans.. are you kidding! A force that massive, fleets that huge.. they would either build a wall of resistance, or ally themselves with the Federation. They do not like the Federation, but understand they wouldn't renege on their deal, the Empire wants to conquor the galaxy, and that upsets the Romulans plans :D .. The Klingons would have fun picking off Tie Fighters in either setting but could probably only muster a force to resist them if it teamed up with the Federation.

Assuming their respective technologies are evenly matched, what happens would really depend on who met whom first... I.e. if they met the Ferengi, and they sold them replicator technology, transporters and one of many banned weapons technologies, cloaking devices or even holodeck technology, and it could radically alter the fate of any war! Likewise mature droid technology could revolutionise any power in trek (imagine if they managed to install Positronic brains into protocol droids!). Also where this encounter occured would be a huge issue... Does the Force exist in our galaxy?! Would our warp drive work there and vice versa. Indeed could they actually navigate our galaxy at all: Almost their entire Galaxy is already mapped, their sensors don't seem to work accross lightyears ranges, which could be a tactical wrinkle!

But all that said GOD this thread is becoming geeky! :D

But outside silly threads like this this must NEVER EVER happen, as entire forums would spring up and FLAMEWARS would ensure just round the topic :D

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Originally Posted by Tobian

But all that said GOD this thread is becoming geeky! :D

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Is that a bad thing? :D :p :D

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The Romulans.. are you kidding! A force that massive, fleets that huge.. they would either build a wall of resistance, or ally themselves with the Federation. They do not like the Federation, but understand they wouldn't renege on their deal, the Empire wants to conquor the galaxy, and that upsets the Romulans plans :D

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Nah... Step 1, covertly work that an important trap, set by the emperor, have a significant flaw. Step 2, make sure that the rebells can exploit the flaw, resulting in the death of the emperor. Step 3, step in and "help" the empire with its administration. :p

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The Klingons would have fun picking off Tie Fighters in either setting but could probably only muster a force to resist them if it teamed up with the Federation.

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True. But X-Wings would probably be a fun target as well. In any way, any attempt to directly cooperate with either side would probably break down. Except with Wookies perhaps...

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Assuming their respective technologies are evenly matched, what happens would really depend on who met whom first... I.e. if they met the Ferengi, and they sold them replicator technology, transporters and one of many banned weapons technologies, cloaking devices or even holodeck technology, and it could radically alter the fate of any war! Likewise mature droid technology could revolutionise any power in trek (imagine if they managed to install Positronic brains into protocol droids!). Also where this encounter occured would be a huge issue... Does the Force exist in our galaxy?! Would our warp drive work there and vice versa. Indeed could they actually navigate our galaxy at all: Almost their entire Galaxy is already mapped, their sensors don't seem to work accross lightyears ranges, which could be a tactical wrinkle!

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Considering the Imperial racism, any dealings would have to go through som form of middle men and would cut down on the funding. The rebellion lacks funds and would not be able to buy enough. So I guess that the technology wouldn't be mixed and integrated until all sides was well aware of eachother.

Could be the fundation of a goofing off game. :) And those are supposed to be silly.

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But outside silly threads like this this must NEVER EVER happen, as entire forums would spring up and FLAMEWARS would ensure just round the topic :D

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*Looks at some old flamewars about he possibility of Star Fleet Marines* *Considers the possibility of a Star Fleet Marines vs. Stormtroopers thread* :eek: *Screams in horror* :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT STARFLEET MARINES!!!! :D

I specifically mentioned Tie Fighters because they don't have shields!!! Targeting on Trek ships seems infinatelly better than Wars, so the combination would mean Tie's would pop :D

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Originally Posted by Tobian

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT STARFLEET MARINES!!!! :D

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The ultimate "taboo" topic rears it's ungly head. :eek: "Divert all power to muliphasic shields!"



As for mix n' match, I had set up do do a one Trek ship in a SW setting as a sort of Blkae's 7 type of campaign (the idea was t give the rebels a ship that the Empire would have some difficulty with-something like a B'rel or Defiant-class).

The big obstacle I had with mergin the two universes was the setting in time. That is SW is set "a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away" whereas ST is set several hundred years into our future. This would make amy group that moves from one setting into the other a fairly permanent thing. Sure, one ship could slingshot back (another idea that I was going to try for a SW campaign was to drop a Starfleet ship into SW through some sort of temporal mishap. The lone ship, in the wrong time frame and even the wrong galaxy would sort of be forced by crcumstances to takes sides).


BTW, while we are mixing differenet Sci-Fi settings, I did manage to successful intergrate Daleks into a SW campaign. Worked like a charm. Even got the Imperials and rebels to have a sort of temporary truce. :D

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Originally Posted by tonyg

The ultimate "taboo" topic rears it's ungly head. :eek: "Divert all power to muliphasic shields!"

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Get over it, some do some do not.

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Originally Posted by tonyg

BTW, while we are mixing differenet Sci-Fi settings, I did manage to successful intergrate Daleks into a SW campaign. Worked like a charm. Even got the Imperials and rebels to have a sort of temporary truce. :D

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You still got the stats lying around anyplace...please...:)

Well, I don't know whether Trek or Wars would win in a bigass battle.

In any case, it's all moot, 'cause James T. Kirk woulda seduced the pants off Padme long before Anakin was even humpin' age, so the Empire never would've even gotten out of spaceport.

End of discussion. I think. :D

LQ

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Get over it, some do some do not.

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I meant "taboo" as in topic of discussion on this forum, not in regards to the actual subject itself. Said topic was/is noted for generating a lt of comments from both sides of the argument.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

You still got the stats lying around anyplace...please...:)

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Probably. Most likely on a hard drive somewhere. Yeah, somewhere. BTW, what set/version of Dalek stats do you want- Star Wars D20, Star Wars D6, ICOn, or CODA. I've done several writeups at various times. Usually stuff like that got shelved until I worked out just how I wanted the adventure to run and worked out the details as well as decide if my players could handle it. For example the Dalek story got placed in a outwer world/fring area in the Star Wars Universe to keep it from mucking up the setting. One thing I was concerned with at the time was being able to have the Doctor show up at the end of the story arc and rid the Star Wars universe of the Dalek menace. I just had to do it in such a way as the Doctor didn't deal with the Empire-so he wouldn't take it down while he was in the neighborhood.

I love this sort of discussions, especially because they can never be quite solved and you can find endless new and funny ideas including both universes. I really love cross overs, actually.

What could really tip the balance is the way you handle the Force. Either it's another telepathic power, or it's something faaaar more powerful than anything existing in Trek.

Just imagine this...

- Captain, we have encountered a new galactic power, extremely hostile.
- Are they dangerous ?
- Well... no. We can transport through their shields, their weapons are laser based and don't affect our shields, and their blasters are like very weak disruptors.
- Okay... We'll send ambassadors to establish a truce. They'll cooperate no matter their feelings, since we could obliterate them.

Meanwhile....
- We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender unconditionnally...
- *ksshhht*Now you'll obey me*kshhhht*
- We are the Borg. We serve the Empire.

:D

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Originally Posted by tonyg

Probably. Most likely on a hard drive somewhere. Yeah, somewhere. BTW, what set/version of Dalek stats do you want- Star Wars D20, Star Wars D6, ICOn, or CODA. I've done several writeups at various times. Usually stuff like that got shelved until I worked out just how I wanted the adventure to run and worked out the details as well as decide if my players could handle it. For example the Dalek story got placed in a outwer world/fring area in the Star Wars Universe to keep it from mucking up the setting. One thing I was concerned with at the time was being able to have the Doctor show up at the end of the story arc and rid the Star Wars universe of the Dalek menace. I just had to do it in such a way as the Doctor didn't deal with the Empire-so he wouldn't take it down while he was in the neighborhood.

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D20 and ICON...Cool :eek: both my groups will hate me now :D

As for the "M" word in Trek, I'm just tired of hearing about it, sorry about the snapish reply. Both sides are well entrenched.