Borders of the federation

Well admittedly I never really looked closely at the DS9 TM galactic map, you are mostly right.

The vague quadrant map from the encyclopedia puts the carddies around 10-11ish.

The DS9 one would put the Bajor region around 8:30+ while the bottom of carddie space would be around late 7-8ish.

But admittedly the DS9 map works better with the Battlemaps from DS9 with the curve of annexed space heading up toward Vulcan an Earth.

Breen would be around 10.
Tholians hopefully around 5-6ish
Gorn? If you take Cestus 3 as Gamma Ceti then around 7.

Keep in mind that these can vary widely depending on a large fed or a small on, or even a 'bubble' empire.

Oh and by the way, next time your in Australia, I'll buy you some aspirin! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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Agreed Verbena76. Annexing a piece of territory by force takes alot of time and material, but still in my mind 1700 years is still alot of time to expand compared to 193 years. If I may use a historical reference to describe a fictional situation...Look what the Romans in did just over 400 years by force of arms. But, like I said in a previous post, I'm biased.

In the Praetor's Name!

Well, since I've never been to Australia, and I don't expect to for a while, how 'bout you just mail it to me? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
I've never actually looked at the maps in the encyclopedia, I'll have to poke today. nothing better to do, lots of snow here and everything's shut down.
Anyway, I vaguley remember that the UFP has always been "bigger" than most of the individual empires around it. Admittedly, said empires prolly dop their best not to advertise that fact, so who knows?
Another thing that needs to be taken in to account is the method of expansion. The Romulans conquer. That takes time! The UFP takes applicants, which means that while the Romulan Empire can annex maybe two significant swaths of space a year, the Frderation, on a good year, can have 6 or more planets apply. And most of those planets will have colony worlds as well.
Anyway, my two cents.

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Big Fed/Little Fed?

The supposed 'canon' maps go big around 8-10000 ly.

Little which is supported by DS9 and is thus Canon, puts the Fed core worlds well within 200 ly dia. of Sol.

From extrapolations of the DS9 battle maps, I am going with Sol-Bajor at app. 160 ly (give or take a few), and am starting to draw maps based on this theory.

Unfortunely, LUG goes with the large Fed as seen by the RNZ map (rough 1000+ ly odd to the side).

As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!

Bare in mind that both the ency & DS9 TM galaxy maps are 'overly' large so we can see stuff. Now that the DS9 map is here and supported by the battlemaps, then I'd pretty much throw the encyl maps out as a vague representation.

'Aspirin's in the post, hope you like panadol' http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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"As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!"

Not as stated... Picard's line is, "150 member worlds spread over 8000 light years." Earlier statements on explored space are 19%, later 25%, of the Galaxy.

As for the DS9 figures you quote, in what episode is this established? You quote it as canon. The only canon figures we have are that a Runabout with a maximum speed of WF 5 can do the run in about a week. Unfortunately, the warp factor formula has never been established as canon ("official," yes, but not "canon.") and is routinely ignored in the show.

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Originally posted by Owen E Oulton:
"As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!"

Not as stated... Picard's line is, "150 member worlds spread over 8000 light years." Earlier statements on explored space are 19%, later 25%, of the Galaxy.

As for the DS9 figures you quote, in what episode is this established? You quote it as canon. The only canon figures we have are that a Runabout with a maximum speed of WF 5 can do the run in about a week. Unfortunately, the warp factor formula has never been established as canon ("official," yes, but not "canon.") and is routinely ignored in the show.

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Note that specifically I didn't mention canon with DS9 but these are the 'generally excepted' distances by various fans and/or info gleaned from the show. STDimension for instance, which backs up most of their data goes with these 'rough' distances.

Yes it could still be known/explored/(what the feds have territory in) space, just the feds have colonies/members on each end.

And if we could truly assume that at warp 5 from DS9 to Earth was about a week, then I wouldn't need to do all this work. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

The only 'accepted' distance (that of the DS9 TM) which arguably may not be accepted has the fed innner defence perimeter/core worlds at 50.3 ly from DS9. A distance they state a ship at wp. 9.92 (I believe) does in 6 days!

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Originally posted by verbena76:
What the hell is Panadral? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Where are these battlemaps everyone talks about, anyway?
One thing I think we need to keep in mind about the UFP is that while we use generic shapes (a la circles) to draw borders, The UFP is not one homogenous block that stretches to fill the circle. I picture it as a bunch of "bubbles" that sometimes overlap, each other, sometimes not. Each "bubble" is a member world and/or colonies. While the total area of the "cirlce" might be 8,000 ly, total area actually UFP affiliated might be much smaller.

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The battle maps are the Okuda-grams seen in various eps, specifically the big one in When It Rains? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gifS9 Seas 7.
And most people accept the 'bubble/swiss cheese model'.

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

What the hell is Panadral? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Where are these battlemaps everyone talks about, anyway?
One thing I think we need to keep in mind about the UFP is that while we use generic shapes (a la circles) to draw borders, The UFP is not one homogenous block that stretches to fill the circle. I picture it as a bunch of "bubbles" that sometimes overlap, each other, sometimes not. Each "bubble" is a member world and/or colonies. While the total area of the "cirlce" might be 8,000 ly, total area actually UFP affiliated might be much smaller.

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