USS Overfield Class Frieghter
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USS Overfield Class Frieghter
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The Gorn ship looks like it could be related to the Mann class from the SFC, doesn't it? Now that would be an odd relationship to explain...
USS Chandley Class Heavy Frigate
Redid this one a bit more than I was planning to. I added the torpedo bay, and reigned in the 'wings' from the impossible formation that the old line-art had, using some miniatures and 3D renders as a reference.
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Bang up job on the Chandley! That's always been one of my favorite FASA designs, and you did a good job with it. A+
As a brief aside, what program are you using to generate these fantastic images? And is there any chance of the Remora Class? :rolleyes:
Please, please, please- keep up the good work! :D
Not bad. The goofiness of the shovel section combines pretty well with the sled of the Belknap's engineering section.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
It sure beats tacking the shovel section onto more normal looking engineering hulls, where it just looks wrong.
Here, both parts look wrong, and that, somehow, almost makes it right.
Alex
It's from the same school of thought where the Defiant is an Escort, and the Sovereign is an Explorer, rather than Destroyer and Battleship.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
"Here's our strike cruiser, er Scout. Yeah, it's a scout. A really big, heavily armed scout. Deploy it right on the border to look at... that spacial anomaly. Yeah. that's it."
Alex
from hell's heart, i spit at thee!Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
USS Francis Marion Class Scout
Okay, this is FASA's Ranger class, made a smidge bigger and with the components listed on the puppy actually drawn in. Since 'Ranger' conflicts with the official 'Ranger' class, I took the only other named Ranger Class scout and plopped it here.
I'm seriously considering reclassing this as a patrol vessel, though. Way too overpowered and way too cramped to be a scout.
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To be fair, what I did was take the SFB Gorn engines (this is an SFB Gorn scout), and then added detailing based on FASA's Gorn Scout. It's an odd mix, but the lines and details really broke up the emptiness on the ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimace
Glad you guys liked it. she was a nice change from FASA's Feddie SRM1's ships... though I have more to do of THOSE still.
Heee! I wondered how long it would take someone to notice. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by C. Huth
Color me confused, but I'd thought that while the LN-64 design was a specific engine configuration, the outer nacelles were generally similar. I didn't think that every Movie-era was fitted with the same engine, just similar style nacelles. That confusion not withstanding, you're doing great work.
In attempting to ensure that everything is to scale and that the diagrams accurately reflect the equipment listed, you are a man after my own heart. Thanks for these fruits of genius!
So far as I know, only FASA makes that distinction. Indeed, TNG goes out of its way to describe the LN-64 engines as pretty much identical, and, of course, CODA and ICON both treat them as such. (And, for TOS, FJ specifically listed each class with the same engine).Quote:
Originally Posted by selek
Since we do see engine types that are different for different ships, such as the USS Grissom, SS Aurora, etc, seems to me that different housings would mean different engines. Add to that that specific components of the engines are VISIBLE in each configuration, and it strikes me that an LN-64 is an LN-64 is an LN-64.
TAS established 'similar engines' like the PB-32S, which is structurally the same, but smaller and with lesser power and 'coil space', effectively. Basically the difference between a V-4 and a V-8 configuration. Same overall tech, but less of it. THAT idea I can see a lot easier than the LN-64 housing for 25 completely different engine designs! :)
Besides, gives me an excuse to unveil a couple of late 2260's engine housings that way. ^_^
USS Brenton Class Cruiser
Okay, according to the FASA text, this is supposed to be CHEAPER than the Miranda and Connie.... anyone care to explain that to me?
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Hmmmm,
Discount on the franchise rights? Designer knocked off thirty percent of his commission out of shame? Paying for dead metal as opposed to active systems?
Difference was made up in the kickbacks?
Hey TFV,
First:
What happened there in the top view, half-way between the bridge and impulse exhaust? It looks smudged or something.
Now as far as being cheaper than a Miranda and a Constitution, well yeah, those two ships together most likely cost about twice as much as a Brenton Class :D Really, I never cared for the design though, looks too much like a skipping stone.
Second:
What have you done to my favorite FASA ship the Ranger...umm Francis Marion class. It looks like a kid's toy or something out of BESM.
Odd that I missed that. It's just from adjusting the Miranda's impulse housing to work on the Brenton. I already fixed the graphic on my end, and it'll be up when I put out both the FASA 1st edition guide, and TMP-era guides. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix
Heh, exactly. There's just way too much hull on that puppy to be a 'cheap' cruiser. That second 'sacuer' section is larger than the Connie's secondary hull (and nearly as large as an entire Connie itself!)Quote:
Now as far as being cheaper than a Miranda and a Constitution, well yeah, those two ships together most likely cost about twice as much as a Brenton Class.
Ranger was a problematic ship, because it had lots and lots of 'stuff' attached to it, but absolutely no way for it work for the size given. I took its basic lines, and added the components that the text SAID it has.Quote:
What have you done to my favorite FASA ship the Ranger...umm Francis Marion class. It looks like a kid's toy or something out of BESM.
So... uh... what's a LN-64?Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
The LN-64 is the warp nacelle (internal gubbins and exterior casing) used on the Enterprise class heavy cruiser (or Constitution refit if you prefer).
It's a designation from the unofficial Ships of the Star Fleet books but was copied by Starship Spotter, which was in turn copied (under instructions from Paramount) by Decipher in Starships.
For thr purposes of the RPG it refers to any federation warp nacelle with the same performance parameters as the real LN-64 regardless of appearance. But that is a simplification for gaming purposes.
So... any plans on doing FASA's Andor and/or Thufir? There's an interpretation I'd like to see.
USS Baker Class Heavy Destroyer
You know, I can almost accept this as a heavy destroyer when compared to the Saladin, really. The stats given the ship don't jive with that, of course, but FASA had a lot worse designs out there...
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Right now, as a favour, I'm getting the FASA 1st Edition manual done. (I've got three more classes to draw, and then I get to writing it. AIEE!) After that, I need to wrap up the second Connie era book (a few pods, etc..)Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
I was thinking of hitting FASA Feddie book #2 at that point, which would be classes from the 2nd edition FASA guide not in the first. (Of which Andor would be included). So, eventually, yes, I plan on doing it - it's just a matter of when. ^_^
My goal, honestly, is to average out a 'netbook' a month with these puppies.
Very nice! Very nice! Very nice!
C'Laih Class Runabout
(Drawn on scale with shuttlecrafts)
I suspect heavily that this ship was an aborted attempt to draw the Vulcan warp-sled from The Motion picture that just didn't pan out. I took the basic lines, and actually made the ship fit the parameters that it's SUPPOSED to serve, using from lines from the TFF shuttles.
I'm not too thrilled, but it's an extremely obscure ship as it is...
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And.. before anyone mentions it.. I got the labelling fixed already - just not on the uploaded version. :P
TF....you're doing very good work, but....ummm......that's more of a runaway than a runabout.
"......first, we construct a large wooden badger......"
<<<>>>
"Run Away!!!!!!!!!" :D
Sorry, friend, but that design may be a violation of the Geneva Conventions. :eek:
Given the good work you do, I'm terrified to find out what it looked like before. :rolleyes:
You're doing great work, nonetheless.
Upper half of a TOS shuttle, scrubbed of its detailings , shoved onto a warp sled, with the sled made twice as thick - again scrubbed of its detailings, with a pair of LN-64 engines (of course) cribbed from the Spaceflight Chronology and stuck onto the sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by selek
Structurally, the main thing I did here was make the lines more consistant with the TFF shuttlecraft and added the docking ring mentioned in the text. I very nearly just chopped off the 'porta-camper' top... but went ahead and kept it to keep /something/ consistant. :)
Actually, I rather like that thing.. Kind of reminds me of the alien ship at the beginning of Wrath of Khan, and a precursor to the Runabout. The profiles could use a little work to make it more elegant, but it has a lot of potential! :)
FASA's? Actually, it's not terrible in and of itself, the problem is that it didn't mesh up with what it's SUPPOSED to be - something you see a lot of in FASA, really. In this case, the ship was simultaneously too big and too small. (Too big to be a shuttle, too small for two decks, given the supposed dimensions.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
You're doing excellent work on converting over all of the designs, but to be honest, I can't see a point to most of them. How many designs do you actually NEED?!
I know many of the ships are meant to LOOK as if they are based on modules, but really, they are massive superstructures.. The ammount of R&D time, work and effort involved in designing what is effectivelly not much different than before, I can't really see that the extra effort involved could not be used to adapt existing hull frames? Hmm.
SS Laweya Class Frieighter
Nothing much to see here, being basically a smaller version of the Overfield with a
new 'hood' on the saucer.
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Me, personally? I was fine with the basics. ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
Though, when using the US Navy (circa post-wwII era) as the base, we get about 750 mainline ships divided up amoungst about 40 classes (most of which destroyer to frigate size). So, for TOS era, that's what I'm looking at.
Now THAT is how a freighter should look!! It's got a hint of Fed lines, but doesn't scream "I'm a sloppy hull slapped on to an elegant looking saucer section!"Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
Kudos on a nice looking freighter!
I'm using Paint Shop Pro currently (and about to get a couple of tonal-add-ons for it to play with!). So, there's nothing fancy about the ships, just lines and fills, with a grayscale palette. Keeping these simple /really/ helps the look, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by selek
The Remora is in SRM 2nd edition, right? So, probably when I hit that one - though I suspect some people here are getting sick' of FASA ships and wanting me to move forward. ^_^
SS Kareth Class Scout
I kept fairly close to the original lines this time, but had to redo the saucer completely because the specs given made the ship IMPOSSIBLE once again. Rather than be too much of a stickler for another largely-unheard of ship, I upped the size all around to make some sense of it in both form and function.
And this concludes the 1st Edition FASA Feddie SRM!
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I kinda have the same problem with the "total refit of every ship to the TNG look".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
So, if I were to ever run this game again, I'd probably sling the Franz Joseph stuff for the old things, use the Nelson, Larson, Loknar etc as their Movie Era replacement vessels and kill the rest.
But, the Federation is rich and they encourage people to live their dreams. You've probably got hundreds of designers in Star Fleet, each of which have their own dream of a ship class. And they do the work to design that ship.
So, the Fed builds one or two, just in case it's something cool, and goes right back to it's Connies and Oberths and Excelsiors and Mirandas.
They can afford 1 of something as a prototype, and can build a few more if they thing the prototype is necessary.
Of cource, that means that only official star fleet prototypes get to have the NX prefix.
Alex
Hmm I guess it's arguable but all of the TNG designs are of the era rather than simply being *how can we destroy the lines of the constitution class today* .. at least each is unique (ok maybe not the Nebula :D)
Some of the designs are wholly different, but most stretch believability on the constitution spaceframe flexibility.. if you're going to mangle it THAT much why not just start from scratch.. The Oberth and the Reliant are both fairly unique.. The Reliant does borrow the saucer, and nacelles, but it at least is the one which started it all rather than just being *another one* :)
I also despise TNG kitbashes too :D
Hee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
I agree. While I can see keeping design lineages, and design ideas along the form follows function and technology way, there are some pretty fugly pieces of crap out there (see that proto-runabout a few posts up).
Neale does an amazing job making this stuff look as good as possible. But, yeah, there's a lot of redundant stuff out there.
Alex
I haven't taken that approach, still sticking largely to what's been 'official' out there. But, I have to admit, I'm getting really tired of FASA, in particular, but of also the 'throw pieces all over the place and call it a new ship'. And I've only made a dent into FASA's 2nd edition stuff.. jeeze...Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blake
I'm amazed that ANY of these ships got minis made, to be honest... Ral Parth worked miracles, that they did.
I would probably pick the FJ designs, the Nelson, Larson, Loknar, and Derf, along with the Independance and Sherman as the /main/ starfleet. (There may be some variants, but nothing as radical as the new lines we're seeing all over the place.)Quote:
So, if I were to ever run this game again, I'd probably sling the Franz Joseph stuff for the old things, use the Nelson, Larson, Loknar etc as their Movie Era replacement vessels and kill the rest.
The 'longbow' to me is a sensible variant.. even the Decatur makes sense. Not so much the Aaken.. :)
For movie era, Miranda, Connie Refit, Larson, Loknar refits, Hermes and Saladin refits, Ptolemy refit. Belknap too, but retouched. Maybe the Chandley.. maybe. And, again, variants would come largely from minor variations in the hull style.
I may take a stab at my own Starship battle game soonish.. I'll likely keep to a smattering of ships.. I don't see why you need 50 wildly different types of frigates, anyway. :)
It's a tough spot, to be sure. TNG did reuse components, but at least they were either clever about it (Nebula), or shoved the ships so far in the background that it took fifteen years to make them out properly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian