All Good Things love

Back on the topic... for once I like All Good Things. Didn't felt quite like a series finale, but then, it would have been hard to give a sense of closure as there was no major story-arc in TNG (something I feel lacks).

I had no trouble either with the three-nacelle design. Maybe an even number of nacelles generates a decent warp field, but other nacelles could give an improved, if less stable warp field, and technology evolving could have allowed for such a design to exist. Or maybe the Ent-D refit was just an experimental ship.

To be honest, the ship design I didn't like was the Defiant. Even or odd-numbered, I like a ship's nacelles to be far from the hull. The Defiant always looked to me like a Trekified Millenium Falcon.

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Originally Posted by C5

Back on the topic... for once I like All Good Things. Didn't felt quite like a series finale, but then, it would have been hard to give a sense of closure as there was no major story-arc in TNG (something I feel lacks).

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Well, they couldn't blow up the ship, because they were going to do that in Generations. Remember, it was the same guys (pre-crap Braga and RDM) writing that and AGT, at the same time. We're lucky one of them turned out as good as it did.

To move off topic . . . I always thought that the two great losses in Generations were Anticlimaxtic. The fall of death of Kirk was blah, so was the loss of Ent-D to a small D-12 Bird of Prey . . . although I like Riker, he should be court martialed for loosing his command, and for Picard for abandoning his command. And its loss was for nothing major . . . not blaze of glory, no sacrafice for the Federation, no great villian's death.

But back to AGT. I like the fact that it was a Q centric show . . . but the Future Enterprise seemed more in line with a DW gone wrong . . . then anything else. I could care less about the modified Engineering Hull and the Third Nacelle, as there was much to 2390 technology which we were left in the dark about . . . but it seemed to go against the nature of what the Galaxy Class Ship was about . . . they were never ment to be Dreadnoughts, they were ment to be well armed science/cruise ships. I don't think they were ever ment to be the Cavalry . . . more like a rear HQ ship.

As for the Defiant . . . it was purpose built, and the opitomy of the Non-Quasi Military that Roddenberry disagreed with . . . it was ment for one thing . . . War. Something that a Federation Nautical Architect would have never dreamed of designing. This is why it has all its problems from the start . . . cause it was to much in to little. There was no-multipurpose or exploration about it. So I can understand why many would dislike it. But as with all navies, even the oddest ships have their place in the fleet.

I've read somewhere that the writers intended at one time to have the Ent-D being blown up by the Jem'Hadar in DS9 instead of the Odyssey (and I'm pretty sure you can see that the Odyssey registration looks strangely like "1701-D" in one shot - I remember looking pretty hard). Might have been better than in Generations (though the saucer crash scene is pretty cool). As for Kirk's death... I don't like Kirk much, but I don't think there could have been a more ridiculous one (dying in a fist fight at two against one aged scientist ?)

Back on topic... maybe in AGT future, the Federation, when needing to create more military-oriented ships, didn't create the Sovereign class but retrofitted some of its Galaxy class into something more warlike, while new, non-military ships, like the hospital ship Beverly Picard commands, appeared.

I read the same thing about the Oddyssey. I doubt it,t though, unless they were thinking of moving the Next Gen crew to another ship. I can't see them thinking of killing off that crew at that time. A neat idea, but it probably wouldn't have worked to try an one up the ENT crew that way.

Kirks death is unsatisfying. What's funny is that the original death was worse (Soron shot him, making Kirk completly superfluous to the story). Now if he had died pushing Picard out of the way, that would have been better, AND in character.

Heck, if they were going to kill him, they should have done it in STVI. Back when that came out there were a lot of rumours going around that it was going to be the last TOS film, and not everyone was going to live. The whole mood of that film, plus the t shot in the trailer where the chameleoid gets disintergated while looking like Kirk, really gave an "all bets are off" feel to that one.


Back to topic. If seems likely that the retrofit would be in addtin to the Sovereign class. Since captial ships require a lot of resoruces it is common to try to get the most out of them by upgrading them. If the Dominion War occured in the AGT future, then upgraqding older ships is even more likely. But, since Picard altered the timeline, and the ENT-D was totaled, it just won't get the upgrade.

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Originally Posted by JALU3

But back to AGT. I like the fact that it was a Q centric show . . . but the Future Enterprise seemed more in line with a DW gone wrong . . . then anything else. I could care less about the modified Engineering Hull and the Third Nacelle, as there was much to 2390 technology which we were left in the dark about . . . but it seemed to go against the nature of what the Galaxy Class Ship was about . . . they were never ment to be Dreadnoughts, they were ment to be well armed science/cruise ships. I don't think they were ever ment to be the Cavalry . . . more like a rear HQ ship.

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I'm sure the designers didn't mean for it to be used in one of Q's funky demi-real mind games, either, but there it is.

I'm pretty sure the super-1701-D was a opening a crack in the fourth wall to give the 'Starfleet dreadnought' idea a bit of ribbing. Of course it's ludicrous and doesn't make sense. It's Q!

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I'm sure the designers didn't mean for it to be used in one of Q's funky demi-real mind games, either, but there it is.

I'm pretty sure the super-1701-D was a opening a crack in the fourth wall to give the 'Starfleet dreadnought' idea a bit of ribbing. Of course it's ludicrous and doesn't make sense. It's Q!

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There's a lot of things, that 30 years ago wouldn't make sense, if someone from that time were to have stayed asleep and woken up today. That's not saying that that future couldn't happen . . . there are infinite possible outcomes . . . with infinite possible quantum universes being developed from those outcomes.

Remember that Worf Episode.

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That's not saying that that future couldn't happen . . .

Remember that Worf Episode.

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And in my game, it's trying to happen. I'm going to have a timeship from the AGT future realise that they're going to be eliminated (somehow, chrono-quantum waves or something,) and have them set about trying to bring it to pass thru manipulation of politics in the present. I plan on making it my "season arc" as I have the group I assembled go around seeking out lost starships.

And the 1st step they inacted was to have the new stradrive section for the Enterprise D built and the saucer re-comissioned with the noted modifications.

It really doesn't fit with Trek anymore, I admit, but I looove it. And the reveal of it was awesome last game.


-M