New Khan?

Even a merit based promotion system which completely ignores seniority doesn't even give the most "bad ass" hardcore victory providing noob instant senior command. At best a direct commission to the lowest officer rank. Even high speed, "fast promotion route" Janeway had to work her way up the rank ladder. Sure for commendable works of valor they are given additional opportunities to command and continue to shine, but they still have to work their way up.

No, the only system that I see that would allow promotion from 3rd year cadet to captain, is based on nepotism.

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Originally Posted by JALU3

No, the only system that I see that would allow promotion from 3rd year cadet to captain, is based on nepotism.

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Or the system of wanted to start the next film with Kirk as the Captain and "shoehoring" the ending for that result. It's "force and ending". I don't like it in gaming and I don't like it in film either.

But, it's very Star Wars. That's why Yoda and Obi-wan run off and hide for 20 years-so the ending will match up with the beginning of Episode IV. Yep, Abrams is definitely a Star Wars fan.

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2) Starfleet is comprised of idiots. Is there no one in the Federation more capable of commanding a Starship than an Academy graduate? It's like turning the Nimitz over to someone who just got out of Annapolis.

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Hey, starting with that, naming a (suspended) stowaway cadet acting first officer of the flagship only because he was the only one to realize that an electrical storm was the sure sign of a Romulan aggression is not what I'd call the smartest move. As JALU3 said, this looks a lot like nepotism ("Hey, I liked your father. You can command my ship, then").

If they wanted from the start to film a trilogy, why couldn't they use it to get Kirk in command of the Enterprise over the span of the three movies ? The first movie would have had him graduating Academy, and he would have legitimately been sitting in the Captain's chair somewhere in the 3rd movie.
Guess the movie specs stated that Kirk should be sitting in the big chair at the end of the move, or else. :rolleyes:

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But, it's very Star Wars. That's why Yoda and Obi-wan run off and hide for 20 years-so the ending will match up with the beginning of Episode IV. Yep, Abrams is definitely a Star Wars fan.

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Sooo... this explains why I did not like this movie, then. ;) (I am a bad geek in the sense that I never cared much for Star Wars).

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Originally Posted by C5

If they wanted from the start to film a trilogy,...

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That would have been a very big investment on the studio's part. After all, Star Trek is not like Lord of the Rings (though technically it was the writer's desire to be one book, his publisher however thought different).

AFAIC, Trek 2.0 Universe is a parallel reality timeline. It's not the Prime Universe. Just something from our Prime Universe contaminated the alternate universe's timeline.

I'm interested in learning the new relationship dynamic between Sarek (little bit less stern as the Prime version) and his son Spock (who is probably exploring his human side at this stage of life development). I wonder if the death of his mother would pain him (as well all know, Vulcan have extreme emotions) to the point to abandon his humanity for Vulcan Logic.

I'm also interested in the evolution of Spock-Uhura relationship.

As for Sulu's "fencing," meh. Back in the 60's katana is not very well known nor very familiar nor very popular to the average American TV audience. They're more familiar with European swords of Erroll Flynn's movies. But there are many types of "fencing" in our diverse world. Besides John Cho (a Korean) doesn't really make a good D'Artagnan.

(George Takei didn't make a good D'Artagnan, IMNSHO, but we can chalk it up with him being "intoxicated" in the episode, "The Naked Time.")

Anyhoo, back on-topic...

It's too early to bring a Khan 2.0 into the big screen. If JJ's smart, he'll use what he did in Alias to make a memorable villain through a series of films.

Lol Flaming Abrams ftw?
To sum it up for me, I thought the latest Trek movie, could have been way better... I wanted to see what REALLY happened in the past, not some alternate reality crap. I don't even think of Kirk or Spock that way when there young... Just... No.

I read some posts that were flaming Enterprise, which kinda hurts. :\ I actually thought Star Trek Enterprise was pretty awesome. It explained some things that didn't make sense in TOS, and things of that sort, I didn't find it had much flaws at all in reality. It was better then the latest Star Trek movie.

Anyway, my two cents.

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I guess you're right. And since it's the alternate future, those events wont impact the present timeline, and mysteriously in some weird twist of fate, during the sling shot maneuver an exact duplicate of the Reliant, including Chekov and the rest, failed the maneuver leaving a copy to continue with the original timeline to do battle with the original enterprise to the demise that we saw for them at the end of Star Trek II. And of course Terrell and Chekov have no recollection of the attempted maneuver due to the duplicating process.

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How about this:

Khan realizes that his planet - Ceti Alpha VI - will face an ecological disaster unless he can go back in time and bring back (to the present) a pair of Ceti Alpha Eels. :p

Maybe they're not doing a new Wrath of Khan, but a new Space Seed? Expanded version of the episode with a much bigger budget and all that?

Allen

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Maybe they're not doing a new Wrath of Khan, but a new Space Seed? Expanded version of the episode with a much bigger budget and all that?

Allen

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*shudder* I hope not...Chris Pyne's Kirk will just kill Khan and his merry men at the end.

No Khan Please.....really, We don't need a Mobius loop of the embittered and psychotic dominant personality coming back and wanting to blow up (fill in the blank).

We had that in The Wrath Of Khan, The Search for Spock, The Undiscovered Country, Insurrection, and Nemesis, Plus Trek 2009.

Enough already.

A retelling of a 'Balance of Terror' Style Episode, perhaps with the new klingons, would be of far more interest.

Give Khan a rest.