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Laying aside the sourcebook idea I think Dan might have a good suggestion there, cross-species, maybe merchants/pirates type SRM. Could include Ferengi, Orion, Boslic, Dopterian etc etc etc ... of course it would likely only amount to about 10% cannon for those worried about such things. :)
Hi Steve,
Just wondering, i've been reading through all the old threads here & i found this, i was wondering if the Rom SRM is available yet,
With grovelling apologies if you've covered this elsewhere
Sundowner
No, it's not available yet. AFAIK the guy doing the layout is still doing the layout. ;)
:) Cheers Steve, i shall await it's coming with paitence.
Looking forward to it.
Thanks again
Sundowner
I looked at the Birth of the Federation Strategy Guide. it woulod be hard to work out the looks of the Ferengi Ships from the little information given there. I am sure it could be done but woulf be hard.
I think that there needs to be a few more ships to create a book all it's self. The Ferengi, Orion with maybe a Bajoran, Trill thrown in would be good.
Sense Steve Long is Buisy which we all understand. As we get older we have to make a living.
We could start it up with each taking a group of ships to hash out. For starters somewhere in my files I already have a Bajoran Freighter, a fighter and a Transport vessel that never has seen the light of day. There maybe an Orion ship somewhere too, well it may not be finished just yet, but it's been stated.
Just an idea.
I too await the debut of the RSM AS WELL- It will make my collection of reference nearly complete. Now if we could ONLY get the Bajoran books to see the day light of day.
It's an idea, fairly good one too.Quote:
Originally posted by Omega1967
I think that there needs to be a few more ships to create a book all it's self. The Ferengi, Orion with maybe a Bajoran, Trill thrown in would be good.
We could start it up with each taking a group of ships to hash out. For starters somewhere in my files I already have a Bajoran Freighter, a fighter and a Transport vessel that never has seen the light of day. There maybe an Orion ship somewhere too, well it may not be finished just yet, but it's been stated.
Just an idea.
How about a two part SRM Star Trek Ship Recognition Manual: The Forgotten Species, Part 1 Foreign Governments (Ferengi, Orion, Gorn, Tholian?, Breen, etc...) Part 2 Member Worlds (Andorian, Bajorian, Tellerite, Trill, Vulcan etc...).
Also in the theme that Steve has with the SRM's, we could include various minor races of non-canon origin towards the end to represent threats to the other species, and slightly expand the Trek universe for exploration.
As Omega1967 said, Just an idea.
I like that kind of breakdown Phoenix. Would be a good way to bring together some of the ships that people have used in games. I'm sure we could all benefit in seeing what other people use in their stories.
Does anyone want to start doing some work on this? We've got some good ideas here and I think it would be nice to see something go down on paper (Figuratively speaking of course, but going down on pdf doesn't sound as good).
What do people think? Shall we actually do this? I've got some free time at the moment so I can do whatever needs to be done.
A bunch of ships Spacedock stats and writeups already exist on these boards. This project would not be overly difficult. It is just about done as it is. . .all we need do is collect the various ships data into one source.
Why don't we start a new thread on this, and save the Romulan SRM for Steve to announce it's compleation (so as to quit getting mine and others hopes up as well)
Update: Here's the new thread for the mixed species SRM.
Just wondering if there has been any update regarding this SRM?
Steve? Owen?
I recently learned that the DM for one of my PBEMs passed away at the beginning of the year, hence the reason why the game died but since no one in either of his games knew him in person, no one had any means of discovering what had happened to him.
It was only by pure fluke that I met a friend of his that had known what had happened to him but nobody considered going through his computer and letting those in his mailing list know what occurred.
I had a player in one of my other games lose a leg and some of his fingers saving a child from a combine a couple months ago and he had a buddy get online to let us know what happened so that his disappearance did not alarm us.
Both incidents made me start considering that no matter how close a community can become via the net, if that access is cut for whatever reason, then one can end up hanging in limbo never quite certain what happened.
Going through this thread, it would seem that the layout developer Chris may have gone into limbo so does anyone know Chris, I believe his name was, and whether or not he is alright?
Regards,
CKV.
In the Saving Spacedock thread, Steve Long through open the door for someone else to do the Romulan SRM. And from what I understand, Don Mappin is doing the layouts.
I am not sure about Chris/C.Huth. Long's statement was not clear about when Chris had let Long know about how far he was along.
Thanks spshu. The thread doesn't mention Don specifically but it is good to know that Mr. Long was going through applications to finish off the project. Here's hoping it is soon.
Regards,
CKV.
Bump query -- any new info on this project?
Is Steve still around? His last post was 08-17-2004, or has Hero System eaten his free time compleatly.
I'm still around, more or less. ;) I just don't check in much, but some other posters are kind enough to draw my attention to threads that need my input.
I seem to have completely lost touch with Chris Huth, who was doing the layout revisions for the SRM: Romulans. So at this point the project is pretty much on hold until I figure out what to do or find someone else to do the work.
Steve Long, then what happen with the applications you took to finish the Romulan Spacedock book in the Saveing Spacedock? thread. My understanding is that you choose Don Mappin to finish it based on a post in the Web Development forum:Quote:
Originally Posted by spshu
Just forgot or has Don passed it back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Mappin
Um. Hi. *embarrassed wave.*
Sorry for falling off the world, there...
The unfortunate news is that i have lost track of the original SRM master layout file (it was in InDesign, btw). A draft pdfs with a pretty-much complete layout were sent out, and i recieved a revision text from Steve sometime in '03 (i think?) but, well... life. I was reminded about the revised text a little while ago, and felt some pangs of guilt. I had hoped someone was able to step up and finish it in my absence, but it doesn't really look like that happened... unless it's just happening quietly.
In any case, i'd just like to apologize for dropping the ball.
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Yep.
Um.
Sucks about that Decipher thing, dunnit? :(
Good to see you Chris :)
As you can see above, not much have happened since your last contact with Steve Long. Any chance that you will have time to pick up the ball, or give some help to get everything rolling if someone else picks it up?
Also, what tools would the person who picks up the ball need? I guess InDesign, but anything else?
/Magnus
Well, there seems to be an insinuation that Don's finishing it up... i might be able to give it another shot, if Steve or Don request so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt. Lundgren
As for tools, i'm not even sure at this point. I'll have to check if i can convert from pdf back to indesign, but i don't even have the pdf any more...
Since I just started out on the adventure with LUGTrek - what was wrong with the original SRM for the Romulans? Or at least I think I have one...don't I? What needs to be changed? I have never used SD so far since I only played ST on conventions and there was neither need nor time for it, but I shurely will quite soon. Are there any big bugs into the system that still need consideration or is it usable "as is" for the standard not-so-very-much-into-this-trek-stuff user?
Besides this I need to say two things that I hope the right persons get to read:
First of all to all former LUG authors:
you were gorgeous guys! When I first saw the ST books on he shelf a couple of years ago I thought: >now that is stupid and definately only to make much money - having one rulebook for each series!<
And actually though I always watched ST on TV, I've never been a fan of it. Then I started collecting RPGs like collectors do, I DS-9 appeared on TV and instantly got me hooked. It was not before another 2 or 3 years until I bought my first LUG ST book and was amazed how well researched they were and the high quality standard they had.
It took me about a year to get EVERYTHING vom LUG - mostly through chanels in the US. I was even more glad when I got the DUNE Corebook! Man...that is a game! I really love it! Got it for 150 USD back then and have seen two more on the net at titan games for 250 USD+ nowadays...
It's such a shame that you went out of business...Due to your works ST has become a real gaming passion for me and I try to hold up the candle of LUGTrek! And LUGDune!
Second thing to Steve Long:
You are my personel RPG hero/pope/saviour/thingything whatsoever! I virtually have devoured every single book that I bought that you wrote/edited/...
It seems that the former LUG staff wasn't able to keep up the high quality standards when they transfered to DEC, without you. The new game is...well..the rules are very good, especially for LotR, but need a mayor revision and tons of work. And besides that - the contents of the book are merely what I call "typically american" (no offense please!!!!!) today: bigger-more colorful-heavier-more powerful but less valuable due to bad content, totally mixed up, only pretty pictures....I guess you know what I mean.
I even started buying the Fantasy Hero 5th ED books after I realized they where done by yourself!!! Great work! Love them! I only had 1st and 2nd ED so far to play the old Shadow World modules with it but the move on to 5th ED was worth the effort!
I hope you will be around the gaming industry for another long years! Keep up the excellent work!
Probably one day...all the LUG staff might reasamble and do a revision of LUGTrek and even publish all of the DUNE stuff???
btw...does anyone know if there is any unpublished Dune-stuff around?
Which SRM are you talking about?
Yeah, there hasn't been a Romulan SRM since the FASA Days.
And obviously you couldn't use the FASA book with LUG's system, without a lot of conversion -- and that's if there's no copyright questions.
So better a SRM that fits with the newer system.
Now, if you want to know just what's so great about that... You'll just have to check out the already-extant pdf files of the Federation, Cardassian, and Klingon SRM's. And Spacedock... and The Dominion War Sourcebook...
They are, to use the one word of German I know, uber.
(Yeh, there should be an umlaut there. I know. But I never remember the codes to make them.)
First "German? It's all Greek to me" of Two
Oh my, you are right...I got it mixed up in my memory. I thought there was already a Rom. SRM but that was due to the space dock book, the klingons, the federation and it seemed logical to have the romulans too...instead it was the cardassians...ec.
I'm sorry for this amount of confusion.
And what I wanted to know why the SD stuff is so great is actually why you use it?! What is your personal experience with it? Do you have so many spacebatttles that you have use for such detailed rules? Up to now I used spacebattles only for dramatic effect and in that way the basic rules in the corebooks where sufficient. But now that we will be playing more often and complete campaigns, I guess I'll need to make use of the SD stuff. So that's why I'm interested in your personal experience with it.
So far I'm quite sure the rules are great - no doubt of that!
Well to be honest, when I have a space battle I play it for drama, action and tension, and I generally ignore the "numbers rules" in favor of pure storytelling. My players rarely roll for anything.
I love the SRMs because I am a diehard Ship Geek. I use them for the names and the numbers and the classes and the styles more than anything else. I use some of the ship stats in the storytelling, but that's about it.
Only 'gripe' I have is that I wish they were illustrated. But some of the ships have been drawn / extrapolated by other folks ( like TFVanguard, to name only one), and I'm sure that there are many other images floating around out there in the 'design phase.'
Back when i had more time (read: didn't care about that whole edumacation thing) i was considering doing schematics in illustrator for the Romulan SRM ships and submitting them as an unofficial extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
Hell, if i find a block of time i might try to do 3/4 views of some designs i have just for kicks. Would there be any demand for such designs anywhere?
You people keep getting my hopes up, is there any news on the SRM?
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Originally Posted by C. Huth
Sure there would even be a high demand for such designs! At least in my "groups" since most of my players aren't Trek-cracks and rarely know anything else than the standard Enterprise, warbird and bird of prey designs. Showing them some 3/4 views of ships would help very much - and improve my own image, too.
btw...again a research question: does anyone know if there are "blueprints"/deckplans for the old olympus class starship (or similar vessels), and if so, where I could get them?
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Originally Posted by C. Huth
I'd demand it! Twice!
Um, duh of course there's demand were all a bunch of ship geeks, that's why we use SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by C. Huth
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by C. Huth
You have to ask? Of cource.
Oh, yeah...
Please. Thank you.
Alex
Dammit, now i actually have to make them look pretty :P
*Monthly nudge* ;)
I'm beginning to think this is just a dead project already. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
And, as a Romulan fan.. it burns me! BURNS!
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Originally Posted by TFVanguard
I comfort myself with the knowledge that you're out there working on those Federation manuals.
First "more ships! MORE SHIPS!!!" of Two
As soon as I get an answer to 'why do the construction guides for TOS universally SUCK' ... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
Actually, no, I'm going to do one or two more tonight... and then figure out how to stat them for game play.
At this rate, though, I'm seriously considering making my own game... oy.
Why is Spacedock so hostile to the TOS and movie eras, anyway?
*Bump*
Any News?
Sundowner :cool:
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Nope, no change.
Almost had an heart attack ;)