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Phantom: I acknowledge that alot of people like small fed fleets and alot like large fleets and some even huge fleets.
But the number of ships in Ds9 is canon now, at least for the DW. So that is what a lot of people use.
With Wolf 359, some peolpe are acknowledging the DS9 fleets by saying that the 39 ships were from small fleets ala PoF or just the nearest available ships in time.
Both of these will work with 'getting the fleet back up in a year'. Exactly that A fleet no the fleet.
YMMV. And apparently it does! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'
Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?
- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk
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Sir Sig,
Ok, agreed. But...uh, what are these canon numbers? I have seen alot of numbers fired across this board from my 1000 to upwards of 5000 and more. what has been put down as a standard, agreed upon, number (ie canon)? I can see, at most 10 fleets with around 200 vessels each.
If the number is higher then we must agree, to disagree. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
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Phantom: Specifically onscreen mentioned:-
1) 7th fleet of 112 ships which only 14 survived
2) Klingons having 1500 ships for deployment, circa last 10 eps of DS9
3) Dominion having 1254 ships during the retaking of DS9
4) 10th fleet is mentioned so at least that many.
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re 1) At least 112 ships and 10 fleets so a minimum of 1120 front line vessels.
re 2) The 1500 Klingon ships were outnumbered by the Dominion/Cardassions/Breen 20:1 and thud 30000 ships.
re 3) The Dominion 1254 ships out number the federation fleet 2:1 which is made up of the 2nd and 5th fleets. Thus a average can be assummed of 313 per fleet.
re 4) 10+ fleets with half mentioned by name on screen.
So with a bit of maths:-
Take average of 112 and 313 ships to get an overall average of 212. And thus a minimum of 2120 frontline vessels.
Now it has been hashed out here (see above posts) that the actual average could be 300 ships with 100 of which are small vessels/fighters.
And Bashir's statement about 112 ships could be only the capital ships.
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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'
Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?
- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk
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I just want to make sure that I understand the numbers;
1) 2120 vessels in Starfleet...I can buy that, not that much higher than my estimates.
2)30000 enemy vessels...Sold again, given we're talking 3 Empires...Dominion (who knows their total War capability), Cardie (each Order has about 500000 to 1 million men). Actually, looking at the figures 30000 vessels seems low...I just did some figuring myself, assuming each Order is similar in organization with 500000 men with the capability to transport all of them and not knowing the split for Galor-class and Keldon-class...The Cardie fleet numbers in around 10-15000 ships. You would think that the Dom. would supply more ships...But then the Cardies were more cannon fodder then true allies. The Breen are an unknown factor to me.
Yikes! How did the Federation win? What was the Romulan contingent? This was more of a lop-sided war than I thought.
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Sold! And another brownie point to me! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Well with these numbers 2120 is a minimum. If you includded every Fed space worthy craft that could fight then I'd peg a 3-4000 mark. Thats why 2120 is an active/frontline estimate.
Now I'd like to assume that the feds had double what the Klingons could offer so a 3000 figure and thus 300 ships per fleet seems a good number.
As for the Rommies, they certainly didn't commit as much, but if they had I would say similiar numbers to the federation. So perhaps 2000 Warbirds and such?
The Dominions 30000 ships is specifically the Dominion. But the context was all the bad guys vs the Klingons; thus the dominion/cardassion/breen reference.
But the 30000 ships is between 3 'task forces' and 2 war fronts so say 6 seperate fleets of 5000?
Plus the Dominion had 2500 vessels in reserve coming through the wormhole as reinforcements.
All I can say is; that the Dominion really do make ships at a impressive rate as General Martok states. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'
Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?
- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk
