awfully fragile looking for a Heavy Destroyer
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awfully fragile looking for a Heavy Destroyer
Yeah, for a Heavy Destroyer, I hope the thing mounts at least one rear firing photon torpedo launcher. I don't see an over abundance of weaponry on it, and as our bouncy feline mentioned, it does look rather fragile. Maybe it could be called the U.S.S. Gossamer.:D
It's got the same phasers on the primary hull as the Enterprise, and an additional pair of torpedo launchers on the rear... Can't really tell what the phasers on the weapon's hull is like.
As far armament, she's pretty heavy to me, nearly a frigate.
Constitution (R) Class... finally.
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...nstitution.gif
All Hail the Refit!
gotta love classic lines, neh?
B+
Great design. One of the best! Well done...
The Federation (R).. based roughly on the Mastercom and Gizmotron versions, but with a secondary hull more sized to the FJ design, and with the additional firepower obviously added.
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...Federation.gif
Santa Maria Class Exploration Cruiser
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...anta_Maria.gif
I like these last two. Especially the Santa Maria...
Slava Class Battlecruiser
Based on the DN from Mastercom
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al..._TMP_Slava.gif
Yeah, she was a fun odd bird to do. The TNG episode that's based on is actually a very strange build of the TMP Enterprise, with the nacelles on their sides and the window-housings puttied in. I went with FASA's first botched draw of the Constellation, and used those parts instead. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Burke
Agenais Class Frigate
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...MP_Agenais.gif
Holy shit! This version is even cooler than the grayscale version you did last year!Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
Yeah, I really like the Federation being up-gunned. Nice touch!
And the Constitution refit (I will forever call it the Enterprise)...that's a pretty ship! I still get little goose bumps when I see a good rendition of that ship. Nice job!
Same thing here.
Here's a more original one, a 'challenge' to make a TMP version of SFB's war destroyer. Had fun making it. :)
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...P_Kocatepe.gif
oooh...me like
Al Rashid Class, the inevitable Ptolemy upgrade...
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al..._Al_Rashid.gif
These drawings remind me far more of the FASA ship drawings from their Recognition manuals then SFB ships but they're still cool to see.
Great. B+
So what's preventing it from being an A? : dQuote:
Originally Posted by Meteo
It's not ICON :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
No, I like gauging things pretty logically.
Only something like Futurama gets a full A or somesuch, any really good thing would probably get an A-, anything pretty good or sometimes very good would quitely get a B+.
...And... It's not FASA either.
But all you're saying is 'stuff that's really good gets a "really good..."' I want to know your criteria!Quote:
Originally Posted by Meteo
Doh!
I AM NOT ONLY WRONG!!! RRRGH
Well, I try to figure out what is the intention of the creator, I gauge it like that,
In the case of a drawing, I try to see how solid and well detailed it is.
And for other things, there are other factors which vary sometimes that I try to keep in mind..
Hopefully, you'll get...
Nah, just ask some more questions and I will try to answer them.
I haven't described how my standards work in years, and I fear that I have forgotten HOW to adequately describe them...
Well, I'll see if I can answer you further after you jostle the old memory...
Haha... I'm just used to people grading things according to a transparent rubric...
Hmmm...
I see.
An oddity that I found...
Champlain Class Cruiser
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al..._Champlain.gif
So when're you gonna do the Andor class?
An oddity that I found...
Champlain Class Cruiser
Eeeeeew! Now that is fugly!
Kind of ugly, somewhat pointless kitbash.
C+
Still don't get the "grading" system. Is it grading the design, TFV's interpretation of it, overall "unexplainable thingy-ness" or what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meteo
I mean, A design can be pretty crap (see, many FASA designs with their impossible scales and mutually-exclusive views), and TFV can only do his best - which is usually pretty damned good - with what he's given.
It seems... unfair at best... to "drag down" TFV's "grade" simply because he was given poor materials to work with from the start.
If a "rating system" is neither fair nor explicable, it should be discontinued.
I don't mean to piss on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
To a point, it's about the design, it's not about pissing on tfv, and it's not his fault if the design sucks.
The graphic quality of the picture is fine.
And to a point, we will always have such relative and dubious standards, which
we sometimes try to flesh out reasonably, but... eh... the subjectivity will always be there.
And I'll try to keep thinking of my own standards, and how they actually work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meteo
Perhaps you should rethink the whole thing, as I'm clearly not the only one who's been confused - and a little put off - by it.
You could try a 'report card' of sorts, you know, something like:
General idea (what you think of this KIND of ship - is it original or derivative or redundant, is it aesthetically pleasing or fugly: C+)
Original Art: (say, if there's aFASA design he's reworking out there for comparison): B-
TFV's cleaning it up (giving deserved credit for fixing the fugly and accurizing the poorly done - like ships that started life as cut-and-pastes or with missing torp tubes or phasers) :B+
Line Quality (How well it compares with TFV's usual standerd of work): A
That way people will know what you're talking about, and when. Less feathers may be ruffled.
(And when I say you're ruffling feathers, you gotta wonder...) :D
I say ditch the letter grade system anyway, maybe replace it with a percentile one, or a series of individually rated categories–trekfulness, overall coolness, faithfulness to spirit of the original, whatever...
Settle down...
Yeah, I see where you're getting at this.
Then I'll be descriptive:
It's NOT YOU, TFVanguard, you do good, B+ work with your artwork, and I enjoy looking at it. And besides, I always dole out As sparingly, if only because the stuff that seems to be far more than even very good are also very rare, not that that is to be an insult to anything that I still find to be great anyway, but that I reserve As to be the best of the best usually.
I'll be more specific next time, and I guess that I need more than As, as I'm relying too much ON THEM to even use what I once prided myself upon, logical explanations that at least have a chance of showing people why my comments are right.
Take a couple of days off and see what happens?
I didn't take it personally, guys.
FASA's Durrett Class
http://www.pixelsagas.com/gallery/al...MP_Durrett.gif
The Durrett design itself is an okay one, although I tend to rely more on the stats
for FASA ships than the appearance.
The registry looks fairly good to me.