I have to give it a bit of thought before a substantive reply but it looks promising Zym...more later.
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I have to give it a bit of thought before a substantive reply but it looks promising Zym...more later.
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For a really scary alternate try the world of the Domination of the Draka (based on the excellent novels by S.M. Stirling). Imagine the Draka going out into space, enslaving every race possible...imagine Vulcans, Tellarites and other races with neck-tattoos working on vasst interstellar plantations. The Draka would make the Mirror Universe Empire look like a bunch of pacifists by comparison.
hmmm... the Crusade idea of yours is interesting... But not really one I'd use...
'Phaser Blades'... Hell, I already have a mirror universe pulling the Star Wars thing... :D So I can see where that would be identified...
However, it seems all nicey, nicey for the Crusades... One of christianities lowest points, and a lasting horror still affecting the middle east today. The Catholic church was rather unpleasant, and the idea would need to take into account missionarys that forcibly convert entire tribes/species... And of course the shadowy Inquisition, who's name is whispered in fearful darkness...
The result of a millenia of the Crusade mentality would likely put humanity back technologically-speaking as the Pope and his council were actively retarding scientific advancement (yet another reason for the several crusades against the Saracen)... As a result the TNG tech would probably be more in line with TOS, and vast quantities of Earths Middle East, and possibly non-christian cultures such as the budhists, taoists and others accross the asian continent would no longer exist.
- Just trying to add a sliant to the idea... For where it might be able to go...
Hey, Darth Gurden, Inquisition 31?! :D
I like the 'Holy Federation' idea. Sir Worf, a Klingon raised by Padre Rozhenko, is now converting the Klingons to the Galactic Catholic Church, and Lord Spock is on Romulus, aiding the Reformed Romulan Rebels. ;)
Yes this is supposed to come across as very Camelot 3000, with a very dark under belly.
I like the idea of the Romulan Reformation...good one Robb.
Dan, I think the dark underbelly would truly be what counts, and I like the idea of stagnated movie tech, not full blown TOS but maybe Generations? And of course everyone whispers the name Inquisition.
The Bajoran question is a good one. I don't think they would see the Prophet's as servents of God until after they conquered them Bajorans, then they would make the Angels, like they did here on Earth.
Now the Prophets themselves may not let them through the wormhole...so that would be a big problem as well...
Work as a Klingon Knight? Hmmmmm...that could work too... So Rozhenko was an Engineer who then turned to the service of God after his career, maybe, maybe :)
think about how creepy the Betazoids would be, shaved heads, black robes, blaack eyes and hearing the whispers of your mind....
As for the BORG...I have no idea...well since they never got out as far with the lower tech, maybe they haven't met Q yet. And if they did they might mistake him for God...I dunno...
Remember he tormented Picard and Janeway, but Sisko punched him and Q never went back there again.
True, but maybe Q wasn't allowed to return by the Prophets - they had dibs on Sisko :D (And I think even Q knows better than to dabble in other gods' playgrounds....)Quote:
Remember he tormented Picard and Janeway, but Sisko punched him and Q never went back there again.
Again, turn to Christian analogies.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Zymmer
The Bajoran question is a good one. I don't think they would see the Prophet's as servents of God until after they conquered them Bajorans, then they would make the Angels, like they did here on Earth.
If christianity was unable to turn a local religion, the Pagans are a good example, they simply incorporated it. Thus several traditional holidays replaced the celtic rites.
MayDay instead of Beltaine...
Christmas Day instead of Yule...
Gargoyles into traditional Church Architecture.
Building Churches on estalished sites of worship.
And the like.
Now the Bajorans canonically have strong faith, and so, while peacefful would be unlikely to change beliefs, so they would either end up as the opposition in a very nasty religious war, or would have the prophets incorporated into standard texts...
The prophets would indeed be seen as angels, but the Wormhole. The Celestial Temple... The closest analogy would be the gates of Heaven.
So they would be guarded. Heavily with only the dead sent through... But what if a changeling ever came back? To touch the face of God????
Some other idea that popped into my mind...let's change the end of Insurrection :)
Here's a reality in wich Picard failed to prevent the relocation of the Ba'ku planet. Now the Federation has laid hand on the meaphasic particles, and soon its doctors are devising a way of considerably extending humanoid lifespan, making people virtually immortals. However, word has spread that this discovery may not have been made without some violation of the Prime Directive, and that the destruction of the E-E in the Briar Patch may have been done with some Federation assistance.
The Federation is threatening to break apart, while at the same time the major powers of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant are trying to steal her the secret of immortality...
:( Seemed a good idea at the time, but now I don't really find this universe that interesting. Could be an nice place to stop in a SliderTrek game, if some member of the Crew has been mortally wounded, or has contracted a disease against wich there is no cure.
Some ideas I came up with... feel free to take 'em and run with them...
The Voyager while in 1996 gets taken over by Henry Starling and he reverse engineers it, thus severely altering history.
The Enterprise NX-01 had been destroyed while transporting the pilgrims to the Great Plume of Agosoria.
The Defiant is one of the Federation ships transported from the Badlands to the Delta Quadrant.
Cochrane never invents the warp drive and another world becomes one of the Federation founding five (i.e. Bajor, Trill, etc.)
Kirk returns to the Enterprise-B from the Nexus and convinces Soran to be the one in the engine room who gets transported into the Nexus.
Benjamin Sisko actually dies while using Gabriel Bell's identity.
The Pagh-Wraith universe :
In this universe, the Prophets were exiled out of the wormhole (either simply destroyed, or sealed in the Fire Caves), and the Pagh-Wraith now inhabit it. Under their influence, the Bajoran have evolved quite differently, and are an imperialistic, blood-thirsty people. As soon as they were able to travel in space, they started to conquer and crush other worlds with a savagery even the most feral species can't understand. After invading Cardassia (and reducing its people to utter slavery and tortures - for those who like reversed situation, this universe can feature Governor Kira Nerys, Supreme Master of the Cardassian slaveworld, and the head of the Cardassian resistance Dukat), they're now trying to crush the Federation as well...
This universe's Bajorans could just be extremely fierce and bloodthirsty (making Klingons merciful in comparison), but it could also be that some high priests are granted inhuman powers by the Pagh-Wraith, thus tipping the balance a little bit more in favor of these crazed Bajorans.
C5 - that has a lot of potential ...
I really must save these pages for reference! :cool:
There was something like this in Parallels, with a Bajoran Warship attacking, a Cardassian at the helm of the Enterprise and Lt. Wesley Crusher at tactical (an interesting idea, if you ask me)Quote:
Originally posted by C5
The Pagh-Wraith universe :
.....This universe's Bajorans could just be extremely fierce and bloodthirsty (making Klingons merciful in comparison), but it could also be that some high priests are granted inhuman powers by the Pagh-Wraith, thus tipping the balance a little bit more in favor of these crazed Bajorans.
Yes. In at least one of my SliderTrek realities, it's the Bajoran Empire which is the aggressor.
In another reality, they Bajorans and Cardassians are fast friends, and First Minister Nerys is carrying on an affair with Legate Dukat.
The idea here was not only to have the Bajoran being agressors, but also savage and blood-thirsty beyond comprehension, after centuries of guidance by the Pagh-Wraith.
Some sort of Devil-possessed Bajor, in fact, where the only possible way to defeat them may be to release the Prophets from the Fire Caves...
Then again, you can also play that like "Dark Side of the Prophets..." :D