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Hahahaha... yeep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirbinator
Yeah, I stopped halfway to do some laundry and I don't actually want to go back to it. I really don't think the movie is actually saying anything either in the Nero's revenge A plot or the Kirk/Spock parallel-life B plot. What's the point it's trying to make?
Did Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams go to Paramount and say, "I have an awesome idea, and it has to be Trek?" Or did Paramount just shop around for big names to sell a franchise reboot?
It was ok,but the story had a lot of holes in it. The sets botherd me,the engine room & several other sets looked like they were filmed in warehouses.(even concrete floors & all)It was better than I thought it would be,but it makes me sad to think that in two or three more movies we'll have a new set of actors & a new parallel time line to put up with.Oh well I'll just keep watching the originals & hopefully the people at New Voyages/Phase 2 will keep on makeing their shows.
But Kirk and Spock are only friends because old Spock told them to be. Otherwise, they would probably kill each other before the end of the movie, like Spock tried to do SHOOTING KIRK ONTO A DANGEROUS PLANET. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jem'hadar
People keep saying that, but -- and I know it's a gimmick so Abrams can say he's not changing the original Trek universe -- explain to me why Nero travelling back in time makes the Federation's first contact with the Cardassians happen 80 years before it really happened?Quote:
The way I see it, the story in the new Star Trek film doesn't change the old stories or canon from TOS. Instead, it's created an alternate timeline or alternate Star Trek universe.
Tchau!
Engineering scenes were actually filmed at a Budweiser brewery. And why does a Starfleet outpost look like an old hospital basement or a set from Saw? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WarriorKnight
HA! Okay, I found the problem with the new movie. :D
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892
Delta Vega = Silent Hill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred
Tobin Dax met Iloja of Prim on Vulcan before 2245...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred
I fully agree. My trouble is that TOS was not my favourite Trek series by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricky
Actually I recently read a (very negative) French review of that movie which presented an interesting point: the Trek series, over time, had built an universe that expanded from TOS, to the point that the TOS crew were just historical characters, but not exceptional (the reviewer cited for example Kira not knowing who Kirk was).
This movie returns to its root and states that Star Trek must be about Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the Enterprise (no bloody letter). So of course, people who liked the universe and the utopia best are disenchanted, while those who remembered fondly Trek as the adventures of Kirk are fully satisfied.
And I agree as well with your comment on the 60's feel of the spirit of the movie concerning women. Come on, Uhura could have done a little more than undressing and kissing Spock (oh, and jogging around the Enterprise corridors without apparent purpose) without betraying too much of the TOS spirit...
By the way, Tatterdemalion King, I don't remember about Tobin Dax meeting a Cardassian, where was it mentioned ?
And with that my dislike for this movie grows, ever so slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign001
I hate to quibble, but this is not true, in at least ONE case I'm absolutely sure of (and I suspect many others).Quote:
Originally Posted by C5
I was thinking of Nero, and his plot. I guess that maybe I couldn't write a 'summer blockbuster' movie. I gather from sources that he had intended to destroy Vulcan in his time, and didn't let getting tossed back in time 129 years stop him. He waited until Spock showed up (wow, simple miners apparently all have multiple degrees in quantum mechanics, astrophisics, stellar dynamics, and various forms of mathmatics.....I mean they just worked out what happened to them, and then figured out EXACTLY where Spock and the 'amazing Gobstoper of doom' were going to reappear. I'd hate to see what Romulan SCIENTISTS could do!!!), to get the red matter. To avenge his people.
Or, He coulda taken his super ship to Romulus, either seized power or offered his expertise and expanded the Empire to the point where that supernova wouldn't be a threat (you know, make Romulus a gulag and let those Remulans run it).
I guess I'm not a monomaniacal guy!
Let's see...
The Powers That Be make a policy decision that caters to traditional enemies at the expense of those who have served the Cause for their entire careers. Their decision leaves those who disagree with it out in the cold, in hostile territory, with no back up or rescue in sight. The outraged and baffled former loyalists see the current policy as a violation of everything The Cause has been about since the beginning. Unable to accept this betrayal, unwilling to just submit to their new masters and to the enemies all around them, they band together to wage a covert war of resistance, or sheer survival, because that is the only way they can preserve their identities as loyalists to a cause that has abandoned them, and keep their own vision of the dream alive.
hmm.
Welcome to the Maquis, boys!
I say we arm those old courier ships and take it to the Cardie bastards!
And don't trust that Tuvok guy. I have a "feeling" about him.
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mind you. I don't think this ends very well for us, now that I think about it...
sigh.
Fortunately, Tuvok now was probably never born so there is hope!
[Stereotypical Mobsters with pointed Vulcan earss] : "OOOOOOOHHH!!" :D
Okay, seriously? This is a joke, right?
Alternate universe, friend. The magic word that allows every alteration you can think of to be made in Star Trek without anyone complaining save a few fanboys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
BTW if I have to be in the Maquis (and thanks to Sheliak Bob I realize I now understand how they felt ;)) I find it better to be in the same ship as Tuvok. After all, they were the only crew who survived the Dominion's purge of the Maquis :p
By the looks of it it turns out it's not: Though the scale of that galactica is horribly wrong, as it should be about 1.2 km in length.
As long as the force is your ally, size matters not. :)
My wife and I had a chance for a date without kiddies yesterday afternoon. We were looking to see a movie. She was fairly ambivalent about seeing Star Trek and was more in the mood for Monsters vs. Aliens (an awesome movie in its own right - I took our oldest daughter Vicki to it a few weeks back).
However, given our babysitting arrangements, Star Trek worked out much better timewise. She was a Star Trek fan before meeting me - after our first date we hung out in her dorm lounge and wound up watching a TNG rerun - they were airing "Justice" of all episodes. She was more of a TNG fan I think my love of TOS rubbed off on her. She's also much more of a casual Trekkie than me.
In any case, she absolutely loved the movie. She really enjoyed something of a sense of humor, something she felt had really been missing in the franchise - I don't remember her exact wording, but she said something along the lines that in its last years Star Trek either mocked itself or had no sense of humor. She also rather enjoyed the boldness of the reboot, how it took chances.
One aside - I was kinda shocked to see the showing had almost sold out. Lot of kids and families at this showing.
I thought it was OK for a no-brainer action movie with some exciting scenes and lots of plot holes. But just because it has a starship Enterprise and some actors dressed up like Kirk and Spock doesn't make it Trek.
Something that bothered me a lot was the age of kirk and spock (I'll capitalize their names when they make me believe I'm watching the characters I know.) After 20 years in the modern military, I just couldn't suspend disbelief in those two kids as captain and first officer of a capital ship. An assignment like that should come along only after at least a decade of actual ship-board experience. I know, a lot of you have already complained about kirk's cadet-to-captain promotion, and I agree, but even ignoring that, kirk and spock just looked too young to command a starship. I wouldn't loan kirk the keys to my shuttle for a hot date, let alone give him a starship.
Well, I finally saw this movie, and apparently I'm the only one who felt this way about it:
Most Random Movie. Ever.
Honestly, I watched "stuff happen" for 2 plus hours. I was looking for the story to gel, but I felt this movie just meandered about. There didn't feel to me as if there were any cohesion, no dramatic flow. The movie just ran around at top speed bumping into things. My impression was that a barrage of intense action from start to finish was meant to distract from a movie thats all style and no substance.
Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by K.G. Carlson
I am honestly beginning to think that there is actually 2 completelly different versions of the movie, from a lot of the writeups. Go out and find the good version I saw :p
Someone should have warned me I was getting the version dubbed into Vapid Clichéese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
yeah I saw the version where they sprayed 'angry old bitter fanbois wo can't let go of TOS begone repellent' into the audience beforehand. Weird how they did it in 2 totally separate cinemas miles apart?! :p Must be in that antiseptic spray stuff they put on the seats ? :D
Just saw it with Miss Victoria, my seven-year old who has gone on a crash course of Enterprise, Tribbles, and the Wrath of Khan to prove to Daddy she is ready to see the new movie.
The young one enjoyed it. She had a super-tough time following the time travel part, but that's pretty understandable. I think for all intents and purposes she just mentally made the two Spocks different people.
She really enjoyed seeing Uhura - whenever we see a movie or video she gravitates toward the stronger female characters. She is probably the only Star Wars fan in the universe who loves Anakin's padawan in the Clone Wars series... She also really liked Scotty - I think his humor rubbed her the right way.
She was definitely upset by the death of Spock's mum - on the ride home she discussed alternate ways to rescue her. She liked the action on the platform over Vulcan - I think she really enjoyed Sulu going all Jedi with his sword and tumbling action. Some of the more physical violence, especially against Kirk, frightened her a bit, though she did like the Kirk grabbing the gun off the Romulan at the end.
She showed signs of being more my daughter than Patty's. She found an old Star Trek RPG book of mine prior to seeing the movie and checked out all the uniforms. She also nitpicked Kirk's ranks and uniforms, making her dad both frightened and proud.
This being my third viewing I noticed a few things. I'm seeing some more evidence that this ship might indeed be the friggin huge size it seems to be intended to be. Which still rubs me the wrong way... I also noticed a few appearances of the number "47". And it hit me the Kelvin looks an awful lot like the Ranger-class starship of the RPGs, which was based off of an unused design for the Enterprise. Just replace the dual nacelles with a single larger one.
Aw, but Asoka is so cute!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Stack
Have you seen this?Quote:
And it hit me the Kelvin looks an awful lot like the Ranger-class starship of the RPGs, which was based off of an unused design for the Enterprise. Just replace the dual nacelles with a single larger one.
Indeed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
I stumbled about ST XI concept Art here:
http://www.jamesclyne.com/projects.php?gallery_id=297
@Dan: Interesting read, it's nice to see that obviously the new movie has the potential to rejuvinate the fandom of trek and I find it funny that your daughter nitpicked Kirk's rank. :)
Cool concept art! :)
Nice review by your daughter too Dan! :)
I know it's nitpicky, but did anyone else find it odd that the Kelvin's Captain took a turbolift down to the shuttlebay when it is physically arranged above the bridge? :rolleyes:
I little turboshaft retcon will fix anything:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2773/kelvinl.th.jpg
:D
So Vicki and her mom are at burger king and Vicki gets one of those Happy Meals or whatever they are called...
And she complains when they gave her a Pokemon instead of a Star Trek prize...
There are Star Trek prizes to be had at Bruger King's?
Well I know they have (or had) Star Trek glasses. Not sure if there were ever meant to be kid prizes as well. But my wife was amused at her protest. The quote was "She's your daughter".
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by dan stack
Good man Mr. Stack, your raising her right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Stack
I second that :)
(And I found another reason to deplore the absence of Burger King in France)
Everything old is new again. I used to have two mint and complete sets of the ST III glasses from Burger King when they came out. And then came what my folks called "the garage sale" and I called the "torpedoing of my master plan to secure my retirement while I was off at college" as those beauties were sold for $.25 each...Guess it's never too late to start over I suppose. :D
Well I did it... I have finally watched the new Trek movie.
I can say that I was pleased after all. I have never liked the idea of iconic characters being re-tooled, but it worked for me.
Now I know that any chance to keep in line with canon is pretty much shot, but this new Trek can certainly go forward with new stories and ideas.