Some of you guys might rejoice..
Braga Might "Step" Down
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Some of you guys might rejoice..
Braga Might "Step" Down
hu·bris n. : Overbearing pride or presumption; arroganceQuote:
"I'm not sure how I can top myself," he said.
Hubris thy name is Braga.
;)
If it happens, then I hope Manny Coto gets the job
Unless it's a joke to get our hopes up for nothing.Quote:
Originally posted by Space_Cadet
Some of you guys might rejoice..
"I'm not sure how I can top myself," he said.
Someone hand that man a knife ! :D
I suspect that it could well be true only in the sense that he'll still somehow be there in the background.
*Checks date*
Nope, not April 1st!
We can only hope......I just hope someone who knows the history aspect of Trek, and respects it, comes in and helms it. I mean, how difficult is it to read the published material to do with continuity, anyway? While I appreciate they need to create stories, at least they could pay SOME attention to it, couldn't they?
:)
Cheers
Tas
Aslan, you beat me to it!
I can't wait to see what they'll come up with :rolleyes:Quote:
As for himself, Braga is working on a new series with fellow Enterprise executive producer Rick Berman, which he described as being science fiction but "not sci-fi with people in spaceships, with aliens running around."
Well, his statements could be read as "I realized that if this is the best I can do I might as well step down, as nothing I will ever do could raise me above this level".Quote:
Originally posted by AslanC
hu·bris n. : Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance
Hubris thy name is Braga.;)
OTOH, this interpretation may be too long a shot to even remotely consider, knowing where it comes from. :D;)
That aside, Braga will probably just go into hiding for a few weeks and then return to the show under an alias. It's all a big plan of his to appease the "old school" fans (i.e. people like us) and stop them from pestering him about continuity issues and canon, while staying in control of the series.
I mean, could his hubris be so great that he truely considers the last year his masterpiece?
Okay, forget I even asked. :rolleyes: ;)
A serious answer to an obvious tongue-in-cheek rhetorical question is that ST: Enterprise Season 3 is probably the best season of Star Trek since the end of DS9, and is also likely better than any single Voyager season. So, it's probably his best Trek effort in quite a while.Quote:
Originally posted by Lancer
I mean, could his hubris be so great that he truely considers the last year his masterpiece?
In your opinion. No offense but I sat through a bunch of eps this season and didn't find them to be better than Ds9 or the best of Voyager. But that is my opinion.Quote:
Originally posted by Sea Tyger
A serious answer to an obvious tongue-in-cheek rhetorical question is that ST: Enterprise Season 3 is probably the best season of Star Trek since the end of DS9, and is also likely better than any single Voyager season. So, it's probably his best Trek effort in quite a while.
For me The Andorian Incident, Shadows of Pa'Jem, Cease Fire and Future Tense have been the best eps I have seen. No other episode has managed to impress me as much as those ones have.
But again this is opinion.
Yes Braga is only stating an opinion, but the way he does it is arrogant and maybe just a little Braga-ing ;)
I find myself hoping this to be true, and having Braga being replaced by someone eventually deemed worse by the fans (and not himself under a pseudo).
Just because I heard so many bad things about him that I came to think he may not be such a bad guy :D ;)
I never wanted to bring his quote up, because I ended up passing out from rolling my eyes to back of my head. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Tobian
"I'm not sure how I can top myself," he said.
Someone hand that man a knife ! :D
I suspect that it could well be true only in the sense that he'll still somehow be there in the background.
But man, he is so full of it.
Like hearing so many bad things about Terry Nichols and Charles Manson? Yeah, once you get past their bombing and the brutal murder conspiracy convictions, respectively. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by C5
Just because I heard so many bad things about him that I came to think he may not be such a bad guy :D ;)
I'm sure he's good at other stuff, like Tom Cruises' Mission: Impossible 2 (writing credit) but when it comes to Star Trek he's better off as a writer rather than an executive producer.
No, no one seems to have got my joke - as in 'top himself' being a euphomism for suicide - hence I offered him a means :D Ok now that I mention it it's not really very nice ! :)
Perhaps that's because "topping" means something entirely different in American BDSM circles. . . . (Hey, I have weird edgy friends; That's why I know this. :cool: )Quote:
Originally posted by Tobian
No, no one seems to have got my joke - as in 'top himself' being a euphomism for suicide - hence I offered him a means :D Ok now that I mention it it's not really very nice ! :)
The Top 10 Ways that Brannon Bragga can ‘Top Himself’:
10) 100 gallons of diesel fuel, with whipped cream and a cherry…bomb (lit)
9) An industrial dump truck load of bricks, all solid lead
8) Angry/Scared (and trampling) Elephants
7) Dung, of assorted varieties…why not, he’s been shoveling ‘it’ for years...:rolleyes:
6) His own Ego…that’s gotta’ be one of the heaviest objects on the planet
5) Sprinkles…half covered in skin absorbable poison, the other half covered by something like Rubidium
4) An Ocean Tanker, filled with the negative reviews of Enterprise, Star Trek: Insurrection, and ST: Nemisis, along with the unbought products thereof
3) 100 tons of straw, representing the ‘one’ that broke the fans’ backs
2) Broken glass shards, dropped on him from a great height
and the #1 way Brandon Bragga can ‘Top Himself’…
With dirt…preferably a six-foot depth’s worth :D
LOL Ezri - Suuuuure it's your friends..... :D
Still a knife works for that too! :)
How about being trampled by angry statrek fans ? :D
Sorry... who ???? :confused: :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by REG
Like hearing so many bad things about Terry Nichols and Charles Manson? Yeah, once you get past their bombing and the brutal murder conspiracy convictions, respectively. :rolleyes:
Terry Nichols
I'm assuming that you have heard of Manson.
Ok, thanks... :eek: (not a memory for names :o)
Well if that's how some people consider Braga... I'd hate writing for Star Trek.
Erm, I feel that's a rather extreme example.
REG is overstating his arguement just a tad. I certainly don't see Braga in the same light as Charles Manson.
Side note, is invoking Charles Manson a sign of losing an arguement the same way invoking Hitler or the Nazis is? (not meant as political, just being a smart arse) ;)
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Originally posted by AslanC
REG is overstating his arguement just a tad. I certainly don't see Braga in the same light as Charles Manson.
Simple hyperbole! I see him more like Ted McGinley. If you have a series and you see him as the new regular, you begin sending out resumes.
You are so lucky that political discussion is banned on this board! Election and all! :DQuote:
Side note, is invoking Charles Manson a sign of losing an arguement the same way invoking Hitler or the Nazis is? (not meant as political, just being a smart arse) ;)
Well, he's had a good run on FOX's Married ... With Children for several years and currently on ABC's Hope and Faith, which is returning next Fall season.Quote:
Originally posted by Kaiddin
Simple hyperbole! I see him more like Ted McGinley. If you have a series and you see him as the new regular, you begin sending out resumes.
Look, I'm sure Braga is a good person, but let's face it, he's not good enough to run a Star Trek series. Paramount should reassign him to write the next Mission: Impossible film.
Yeah, but the last MI film wasn't so good either...Quote:
Originally posted by REG
Well, he's had a good run on FOX's Married ... With Children for several years and currently on ABC's Hope and Faith, which is returning next Fall season.
Look, I'm sure Braga is a good person, but let's face it, he's not good enough to run a Star Trek series. Paramount should reassign him to write the next Mission: Impossible film.
Strictly Speaking
It wasn't, but I don't think that was really the fault of writing...to me, the failure of that movie was that it was a vehicle for Tom Cruise, rather than being an MI sequel.Quote:
Originally posted by strict31
Yeah, but the last MI film wasn't so good either...
And, that said, it wasn't a horrible movie, either.
Isn't that the same problem that plagued The Last Samurai?Quote:
Originally posted by Sea Tyger
...to me, the failure of that movie was that it was a vehicle for Tom Cruise, rather than being an MI sequel.
True. It was a lot easier to understand the second movie than the first one. ;)Quote:
And, that said, it wasn't a horrible movie, either.
I still miss Phelp, though (either Jon Voight or the original actor).
I don't know if I can answer that, since I really enjoyed The Last Samurai. It didn't even bother me that Cruise's character survived the battle. (In all honestly, that act kept the movie from being overly depressing in the end.)Quote:
Originally posted by REG
Isn't that the same problem that plagued The Last Samurai?
MI2 wasn't a labor to watch, but I felt the plot was forced toward Hunt's internal struggles...I felt like I was watching a traditional sports underdog movie at times.Quote:
True. It was a lot easier to understand the second movie than the first one. ;)
I still miss Phelp, though (either Jon Voight or the original actor).
While Hunt was the central character in MI, the others had more involvement in advancing the plot (and I liked the twists and turns, too).
Jon Voight is a good actor...I'm not sure he was at his best in MI, but some of his non-verbal reactions in the movie were quite good. :)
Sorry for hijacking the thread like that. :) To get it back on track, while I love how the series has progressed so far, I'd like to see ST: Enterprise shift toward tensions with the Romulans and building of the Federation (more Andorians, more Tellerites, and tell us if the Centaurans are colonists or their own race! ;) :D ).
If that will happen with someone else in Braga's place, then so be it. :)
Not to shift discussion but...
I liked MI2 but more because I loathed the first MI movie. Where they basically spat on the television series. I didn't have so much of a problem with Phelps being the villian it was just that they turned him into such a cartoon-villian that it felt like the writers were disrespecting the television series in order to elevate Hunt/Cruise into the starring role.
I have no problem with the "passsing of the guard" but not at the expense of destroying the original, time-honoured character.
Back to your regularly scheduled Trek discussion...
I'm wary and weary of giving Braga yet another chance. I'm trying so hard to be an unforgiving person.Quote:
Originally posted by Sea Tyger
Sorry for hijacking the thread like that. :) To get it back on track, while I love how the series has progressed so far, I'd like to see ST: Enterprise shift toward tensions with the Romulans and building of the Federation (more Andorians, more Tellerites, and tell us if the Centaurans are colonists or their own race! ;) :D ).
If that will happen with someone else in Braga's place, then so be it. :)
I just hope that they will get off the main arc (TCW). And I mean, no more getting visitor from the future advising and guiding (in one word, "meddling") Archer & Co. to getting on-track with the Birth of the Federation.
I'm pretty sure that B&B don't even know about the "impending" Earth-Romulan Empire War. And I'm pretty sure they'll ignore the Centauri issue altogether because of their lack of knowledge thereof. How hard would it be for them to hire a 'continuity' editor of some kind? I'm sure that they could even ask a local ST fan who would love to do it for free (or trinkets).
The only thing I'll hand over to SW (God I hate SW BTW) is how they've managed to keep continuity fairly consistant.
Which its clear (at least to me) is where they will start to go. I am hoping the foreshadowing in the season finale is an indication of the direction.Quote:
I just hope that they will get off the main arc (TCW). And I mean, no more getting visitor from the future advising and guiding (in one word, "meddling") Archer & Co. to getting on-track with the Birth of the Federation.
Personally I see them move towards to Romulan War, with the ultimate end of this being the formation of the UFP.
I know it feels like Babylon 5 and Andromeda, but gathering allies to fight the Romulan War would be a cool way of doing the series for this point on. A tad derivative but cool.
I can respect that position, especially since I never really had a chance to see the original show. Unlike such favorites as Emergency!, Adam 12 (I can't remember if that was the name of the show) and Star Trek, I never caught MI in reruns.Quote:
Originally posted by prophetsteve
I have no problem with the "passsing of the guard" but not at the expense of destroying the original, time-honoured character.
My loss, I suppose. :) But, at least I didn't have anything to compare the movie to, which made it easier to enjoy. :)
The trouble with that is that there is very very few canon evidence of the Earth-Romulan war being so impending AFAIK, and little to none as to what the Centauri issue is. So, unless this continuity editor would be also taking into account the Trek lore that has been building up along the years, I don't really see how he could force B&B to include the Rom-Earth war for canonical reasons.Quote:
Originally posted by Snake_Plissken
I'm pretty sure that B&B don't even know about the "impending" Earth-Romulan Empire War. And I'm pretty sure they'll ignore the Centauri issue altogether because of their lack of knowledge thereof. How hard would it be for them to hire a 'continuity' editor of some kind? I'm sure that they could even ask a local ST fan who would love to do it for free (or trinkets).
The TOS episode 'Balance of Terror' explicitly states that there was a war a century earlier between Earth and the Romulans.
True, but AFAIK they never gave exact dates, star or otherwise. And when events pass into distant history (beyond about 50 years), folks tend to approximate. For at least ten years, I've heard folks refer to the American Civil War as having happened "a hundred and fifty years ago", even though that's not *technically* true yet and won't be for a few more years...Quote:
Originally posted by Snake_Plissken
The TOS episode 'Balance of Terror' explicitly states that there was a war a century earlier between Earth and the Romulans.
On a side note, is anyone making plans for Gettysburg in '13? I know I'm going to try my best to take the family there. :)
As of right now, I live less than a hundred miles from the battlefield, and have been there several times. Take that, ye scurvy dog! :)Quote:
Originally posted by Sea Tyger
On a side note, is anyone making plans for Gettysburg in '13? I know I'm going to try my best to take the family there. :)
That is very true.Quote:
True, but AFAIK they never gave exact dates, star or otherwise. And when events pass into distant history (beyond about 50 years), folks tend to approximate. For at least ten years, I've heard folks refer to the American Civil War as having happened "a hundred and fifty years ago", even though that's not *technically* true yet and won't be for a few more years...
I also tend to take any details from TOS with a grain of salt, concidering much of what we consider Trek continuity was being formed over the seasons and often was internally inconsistant (like Starfleet/UESPA and United Earth/UFP, etc).
I generally use the TNG as a benchmark for canon dates rather than TOS.
Still, even if you believe that TOS' date for the Earth-Romulan war aren't precise but are approximate in the sense of "150 years since the American civil war", you still can't deny that the previously established canon says that there should be an Earth-Romulan sometime relatively close to Enterprise.
I expect we won't see it actually happen on Enterprise but that we will rather see it hinted as impending, because it won't be very good television to have the Enterprise crew never see a Romulan. I still think that, if Enterprise gets a longer run than 4 seasons, we will see something about the Romulan war, just not the war itself.