Ferengi Sourcebook, anyone?

Rule of Acquisition #10-- "Greed is Eternal!"

I think ST:TNG is in serious need for a Ferengi sourcebook. Instead of being one who merely suggests an action, I am willing to DO something about it. How would everyone like to see another e-sourcebook for all of you loyal gamers out there?

The Ferengi are a race I use often in my games. I really enjoy this race, and think they offer great potential to players seeking ideas about commerce in the Next Gen universe.

Steve Long has indicated his approval of this idea. I would greatly appreciate any feedback anyone has to offer, including: help, general complaints, etc.

If you are not a registered user, please become one so that we can see the REAL interest gamers have for this idea.

As long as you promise not to include "Moogie", Zek or Leeta - I don't think I could stand it! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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"May I find you with peace, and leave you with hope."

Well both myself and Dr Jonas Bashier had discussed this very topic after the Trill book was finished...

Even to the point of discussing chapters and using rules of aquistion as Chapter tiles. We even had the books name...

If you start, I am sure we will be happy to help, edit and submit material and the like. I know I am...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

Well, Dan said it well. I have nothing to add yet, so if we do it, you'll have to wait until we finish the Trill book (most likely during early 2001). If you start, I'll be happy to collaborate.

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Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, No escape from reality

Well, I too remember having a brief discussion with the good Doctor about this very project, and I would definitely like to contribute.

I've even started taking research notes (in hand-scribbled form--nothing in electronic format yet) from all the Trek episodes I have on tape featuring Ferengi characters. Unfortunately, my DS9 collection doesn't include episodes after season four.

Other than LUG products (such as the DS9 Core Book, DS9 Narrator's Toolkit and Raiders, Renegades and Rogues) my research materials include:

Star Trek: The Magazine, Issue #9 (Jan, 2000)
-Briefing #2 (pp.62-82) features fairly extensive details on Ferengi society, death rituals, the "energy whip", "thought maker" and Ferengi Marauders.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Magazine, Issues 2,3,5,6,8 and 22 (1993-98)
-Magazines feature numerous episode synopses, character/actor articles and interviews, and other such DS9-related stuff.

Star Trek Encyclopedia: 1999 Updated and Expanded Edition
-'Da big blue book. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

I will be able to draw from all the above sources for material, and I'm also on the lookout for most anything Ferengi-related that I come across.

First question I can think of: Who volunteers to be the Ferengi Supplement "Developer"? We'll likely need some poor soul to provide direction, crack the whip, give pats-on-the-back, and serve as a general all-around visionary and editor.

LQ

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"No one controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who can control me is me... and that's just barely possible!" -John Lennon

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I'd be willing to help out with the Ferengi book, too, once the whole Trill one gets completed.

In fact, the good people over at Psi Phi.org (presumably my friend David Henderson) has kept a list of all the Rules of Acquisition, noting canon ones from non-canon ones, all the way through "Inside Man" (VOY). http://www.psiphi.org/DS9/rules.html

There is also information at http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bj803/ferengi.html although there is no link that I can see to contact the author (I thought maybe he or she would like to join in on helping write).

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I'll be the Ferengi line developer. I think I need a better title, though. Liquidator isn't powerful enough... Grand Nagus suits me just fine, though.

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This is our last, best hope for peace? We are so screwed.

Well, I'm glad that I've been bombarded with replies during the last twelve hours. I've asked for information on how to get a secured section for the "Ferengi" team so that we can start working.

I've already started to work on: Ferengi advantages/disadvantages, special traits, technology, philosophy, and tactics (mostly business... of course).

I have access to many of the same resources that everyone else has, but I'm sure we will have to do a little creative extrapolation-- especially since I propose some rules regarding trade and commerce.

I think it's important to note that though replicators virtually eliminate poverty on Federation core worlds, along the Cardassian DMZ and the Romulan Neutral Zone colonists rely more heavily on small trade. My reasoning is that small independent traders are more likely to drop by on a reguar basis than the "monthly" or "bi-monthtly" Federation freighter.

This changes economics somewhat.

I'd also like to add that I do have a copy of FASA's old "Trader Captain's and Merchant Princes" for the old ST game. It might help us a little in this regard.

We may also consider changing some of the Reknown categories for Ferengi, simply because the motives of their society are not really compatible with Federation or Romulan thinking.

Keep that feedback flowing.

"Never let family come before profit!"

Well if your going to devolop it, heres the book title myself and Dr Bashier came up with!

'Lust for Latinum'; The Ferengi Sourcebook.

I have a Ferengi Accountant template designed (which BTW is the basis for a Liquidator, which is just a case of Government Rank)

But I need to adjust my Ferengi shuttles to Spacedock rules...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

OK, first thing I'll do is knock out a bunch of character creation packages. I'll use the DS9 format: Overlays (36DP), Early Life (5DP), Advanced Training (9DP) and Professional Packages (10DP). I'll also take a stab at the Energy Whip and Thought Maker device.

I'll report back on wednesday.

LQ

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"No one controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who can control me is me... and that's just barely possible!" -John Lennon

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ArsenicMan:

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! Someone took the lead for it! I'm able to collaborate with you, from History to culture, economy, analysis of the Acquisition rules, commercial law, physiology, anything you need. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Count me in.

And I was leaning toward "Greed is Eternal" as a book name. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.

#1. No problem. I'm happy to help. Now, I have to go rewrite for the third time the outline for "Operation: Stormbird" since Word keeps on crashing...

#2. "Greed is Eternal" is probably a better name, especially if someone eventually writes "The Latinum Main" - don't want to get the two confused!

#3. Here is a general outline of the book, including chapter titles.

[*]Rule of Acquisition #10[*]“Once you have their money, you never give it back”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #1[*]Introduction[/list][*]Part One – “Knowledge equals profit”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #74[*]The Ferengi[*]Chapter One – “Never confuse wisdom with luck”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #44[*]History of the Ferengi Alliance[/list][*]Chapter Two – “The best deal is the one that brings the most profit”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #2[*]Ferengi economy[/list][*]Chapter Three – “Wives serve, brothers inherit”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #139[*]Ferengi society and customs[*]Ferengi jobs[/list][*]Chapter Four – “Hear all, trust nothing”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #19[*]The Ferengi Commerce Authority[/list][*]Chapter Five – “When no appropriate Rule applies, make one up”

[*]The Unwritten Rule of Acquisition[*]The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition[/list][*]Chapter Six – “Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #6[*]Typical Ferengi upbringing[/list][*]Chapter Seven – “Never ask when you can take”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #52[*]Ferengi tactics & combat[/list][*]Chapter Eight – “Possession is 11/10 of the law”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #219[*]Ferengi vessels, in Spacedock format[/list][*]Chapter Nine – “Satisfaction is not guaranteed”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #19[*]Ferengi equipment[/list][/list][*]Part Two – “There is no substitute for success”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #58[*]Ferengi characters[*]Chapter Ten – “There are many paths to profit”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #92[*]Ferengi character creation[/list][*]Chapter Eleven – “There is no substitute for success”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #58[*]Ferengi traits[/list][/list][*]Part Three – “Deep down, everyone's a Ferengi”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #284[*]Ferengi adventures[*]Chapter Thirteen – “Profit is its own reward”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #41[*]Ferengi adventure #1[/list][*]Chapter Thirteen – “Even in the worst of times, someone turns a profit”

[*]Rule of Acquisition #162[*]The second Ferengi adventure[/list][/list][/list]

#4. I fixed the title of the third book.

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ArsenicMan,

Where would you want to stick info on Ferengi society & customs--such as death rituals & religion? Chapter 1, 4 or 7?

I'd be more than happy to take a shot at that topic, along with anyone else interested.

LQ

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"No one controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who can control me is me... and that's just barely possible!" -John Lennon

I'd be willing to help out wherever I'm needed. Right now, on the Trill book, I pretty much look over the chapters as they come in and check for grammatical and spelling errors. Also, I have been contributing a few of the chapter opening brief vignettes.

But, whatever needs to be done... Unfortuatnely, my Ferengi sources are limited right now. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Actually, I was thinking that Chapter 2 was the society chapter. I labeled it "economy" since money is their society. Going back and fixing that...

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This is our last, best hope for peace? We are so screwed.

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquidator Queeg:
ArsenicMan,

Where would you want to stick info on Ferengi society & customs--such as death rituals & religion? Chapter 1, 4 or 7?

I'd be more than happy to take a shot at that topic, along with anyone else interested.

LQ

That could be another chapter entirely...

"Wives Serve, Brothers Inherit."

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A recommendation for the Ferengi: it should be as extense as the other "threat species" sourcebooks. Maybe someone would like to play in a Ferengi ship, and there are many details about their military and politics. My advice is to plan it in the infamous "boxed set" structure (even when it will be a single e-book), following the main plan of The Way of D'era.

Yes, the Ferengi are that important! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif

And so, there is one more chapter to add: the Ferengi Commerce Authority, as government, economy regulator, military organization, and even as a religious icon. It deserves a chapter of its own. Even the Liquidator overlay should be there. The chapter could be named "Hear All, Trust Nothing" (Rule #190)

Is it me, or the Liquidators of the FCA constitute an Intelligence Bureau for the Ferengi military in some way? At least, they are the equivalent of an Internal Affairs division...

Good ideas, both. Hmm...

Going back and reorganizing the outline...

Update: I don't *have* The Way of D'Era. Could someone please post what the three different books are?

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Way of Dera boxed set; taken from the blurb at the back.

Book 1; The Romulans.
- Detailed Treatments on Romulan History ans Politics.
- An overview of the Imperial government, with information on the Senate, the Preator, and the Continuing Commitee.
- Extensivce sections on the Romulan Star Navy, including its organisation, its various branches, and its role in Romulan society.
- An in-depth look at Romulan Space, from the core worlds to the Empty Frontier to the disputed territories along the Rimward border with the Tauhai
- New ships, technology, alien species, creatures, worlds and more!

Book 2; Romuulan Characters
- A brand new system for creating Romulan characters, including Glory, a trait reserved for Romulans alone.
- New Skills, traits, templates, and overlays - everything you need to create unique and vibrant Romulan characters and crew.
- Detailed information on designing and running Romulan series using Romulan characters withing the bounds of the Empire

Book 3; Romulan Adventures
- Two Romulan scenarios designed for Romulan Characters...

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I have some Ideas for the Ferengi book...

I have always seen their Navy as a bunch of Privateers, esentially Ferengi mercenaries fighting for Profit. But I also see them using the 36 point template styles more than the highly skilled 54 point templates...

This mercenary/Privateer concept works well to get other species involved. We have seen the Ferengi work well with many other 'fringe' species such as the nausicans and the like...

Can any one remember Zeks servant, what species was he?

Lastly, in exchange for the Romulan Glory, and its equivalents in the Trill and Cardie books, perhaps the Ferengi should gain a version of their own, I had considered altering the renown aspects for Wealth, and Greed, to show the differing Ferengi priorities...

But it strikes me that instead of Glory, they can use 'Greed' instead... Basing it instead of renown but on character net worth? (Just a concept at the moment)

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

Dan wrote:

I have always seen their Navy as a bunch of Privateers, esentially Ferengi mercenaries
fighting for Profit. But I also see them using the 36 point template styles more than the highly skilled 54 point templates...

This mercenary/Privateer concept works well to get other species involved. We have
seen the Ferengi work well with many other 'fringe' species such as the nausicans and
the like...

Queeg's response:

I absolutely agree with you on this one, Dan. Ferengi would NOT possess the high degree of training that befits a Starfleet Officer. The existence of Ferengi Privateer "fleets" is soundly established in canon, and definitely needs to be explored in this project.

However--as far as character creation packages are concerned--privateer and mercenary packages are thoroughly covered in Raiders, Renegades and Rogues, so I'm not inclined to design any more along that line.

I know that comment wasn't really related to your post, but that's what I'm working on right now and it just sorta popped up in my head. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

Anyway,

I'm not sure of what direction to take for Ferengi military or "pseudo-military" character packages though, as it is early on in the project and we haven't really discussed the structure of the Ferengi military. Early on, in TNG, the "Ferengi Alliance" (read "Government") seemed to possess its own fleet of ships. Yet, we've also seen privateer DaiMons as well. Additionally, I would suspect that wealthier "merchant houses/families" might have their own private fleets.

Thus, the character creation packages (here comes that topic again http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif) I post tomorrow will not include military packages. I would like to get some grounding in the direction we take regarding Ferengi military "stuff" before I tackle those. I have developed numerous other packages though, but I'll wait 'till tomorrow to discuss them further.

Dan wrote:

Can any one remember Zeks servant, what species was he?

Queeg's response: Maihar'du is Hupyrian.

Dan wrote:

Lastly, in exchange for the Romulan Glory, and its equivalents in the Trill and Cardie
books, perhaps the Ferengi should gain a version of their own, I had considered altering the renown aspects for Wealth, and Greed, to show the differing Ferengi priorities...

But it strikes me that instead of Glory, they can use 'Greed' instead... Basing it instead of renown but on character net worth? (Just a concept at the moment)

Queeg's response:

I like the idea of "Net Worth". I'll have to ponder this one some more.

LQ

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"No one controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who can control me is me... and that's just barely possible!" -John Lennon

#1. Here's the preliminary assignments:

[*]Robert: chapters 7, 9, & 10[*]Dan: If you could send me your shuttle (in regular system or Spacedock) schematics and your Liquidator template, that'd be *very* cool[*]Dr. Bashir: If I write a rough cut of chapters 2 & 5, would you be willing to polish them up a bit?[*]Queeg: chapters 3 & 10 (note: characters should use the 36-point style templates)[*]Caretaker: I'll have you help me with the grammar & mechanics - let me know once you're done with the Trill book, so you can do more if needed[*]Myself: Rough of chapters 2 & 5, all of 4 & 8 (except what Dan has done)[*]spyone: chapters 1 & 6[/list]

Let me know if there are any problems.

I've also e-mailed Dave Biggins asking if he'd be willing to write two adventures for us.

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Chapters 3 and 10 sound excellent to me, ArsenicMan. I'm glad to help out in any way I can.

For everyone's perusal, here is the first batch of Ferengi character creation packages I've come up with. I *will* be doing many more, but these are all I've been able to get done on my lunch hours at work the past two days. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

These are "first drafts" of a sort, so feel free to comment, criticize, bash or praise at your convenience.
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Ferengi Character Creation Packages:

Overlay 36 DP; Primary skill noted in italics

Lawyer
Ferengi lawyers are proliferate within Ferengi Alliance territory, but may also be encountered just about anywhere in explored space where legal disputes exist. Ferengi lawyers work insidiously to find even the tiniest legal loophole and exploit it for their own--or their clients'--purposes.

Intimidation (Cross-Examination) 2 (3)
Law (Choose Specialization) 2 (3)
Persuasion (Debate) 2 (3)
Administration (Choose Specialization) 1 (2)
Computer (Research) 1 (2)
Language:
Federation Standard 1
Mediation (Choose Specialization) 1 (2)
Personal Equipment (Choose Specialization) 1 (2)
Search 1

Queeg's Note: Dedicated to Steve Long for his ceaseless efforts on behalf of all LUG Trek fans.
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Early Life 5DP

Bankrupt Family
The character's family went bankrupt when he was a child. He suffered great humiliation and was forced to fend for himself as an adolescent. He earned nary a strip from his Attainment Ceremony.

Fast Talk 1, Streetwise (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Diminished Social Status -1

Gifted Lobes
The character developed the "lobes" for business at an astonishingly young age, and earned great respect from his elders. Not surprisingly, many of his peers were extremely jealous.

Bargain (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), +1 Perception, Patron +2, Wealth +1, Rival -2
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Advanced Training Packages 9DP

Core/Frontier World Trade Mission
The character served in an administrative or mediative position during an extended Ferengi trade mission, either in frontier or core world territory.

Administration OR Mediation (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Merchant (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), World Knowledge (Choose Specialization) 1 (2)

Ferengi Trade Vessel Spacehand
The character served aboard a Ferengi trade vessel an an all-around mechanic, engineer and maintenance crewman.

Any Engineering (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Personal Equipment (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Shipboard Systems (Choose Specialization) 1 (2)

First Contact Specialist Training

The character has trained as a first contact specialist, with a focus on analyzing potential markets, investment opportunities and exploitable resources.

Diplomacy (Negotiation) 1 (2), Social Sciences (Economics) (Sociology) 1 (2)(2), Contact +1, Cultural Flexibility +1

Interstellar Economic Analyst
The character has studied interstellar corporations, and has experience in the financial investment, brokerage and banking fields.

Administration (Bureaucratic Manipulation) 1 (2), Knowledge: Interstellar Corporations 1, Social Science (Economics) 1 (2)

Marketing and Sales Training
The character has worked for a large corporation or small family-run business and possesses training in the marketing and sales of a wide variety of products and/or services.

Charm (Influence) 1 (2), Knowledge: Marketing Strategies 1, +1 Perception, Innovative +1, Shrewd +1
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Professional Packages 10DP

Corporate Espionage Agent
The character works for a single (or various) corporations investigating and sabotaging rival corporations' manufacturing facilities, trade secrets, research and development projects and other similar activities.

Computer (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Energy Weapon (Choose Specialization) OR Personal Equipment (Choose Intrusion Device) 1(2), Espionage (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Security (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Marked Man -2

Entertainment Manager/Agent
The character works in the entertainment industry as a manager, agent or talent scout. He's always searching for the next "big star" who'll rock the entertainment 'biz.

Charm (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Fast Talk 1, Knowledge: Entertainment Industry 1, Contact +1, Favor Owed +1, Rival -1

Freelance Medical Practitioner
The character is a qualified doctor and performs private medical services to those willing to pay his fees.

Life Science (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Medical Science (Choose two specializations) 2 (3)(3), Personal Equipment (Medical Tricorder or similar device) 1 (2), Code of Honor (Hippocratic Oath or similar oath) OR Dark Secret (Malpractise Suit) -2

Frontier Scout
The character works in frontier territories as a scout, determining the potential of newly discovered worlds for colonization or industrial development.

Planetary Sciences (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Planetside Survival (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Energy Weapon OR Shipboard Systems (Choose Specialization) 1 (2), Curious OR Sense of Direction +1

Futures Exchange/Stock Market Speculator
The character has earned a living speculating on the Ferengi Futures Exchange or numerous worlds' stock market or trade exchange networks. He may have worked for a financial firm or as an independent speculator.

Bargain (Marketplace Haggling) 1 (2), Knowledge: Stock Markets/Futures Exchange Etiquette & Lingo 1, Social Science (Economics) 1 (2), Wealth +1

Private Sector Scientist
The character is dedicated to a particular scientific field. He is most likely motivated by profit, but also possesses a genuine interest in scientific discovery.

Any Science (Choose two Specializations) 2 (3)(3), Personal Equipment (appropriate device) 1 (2), Curious +1, Argumentative -1
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Advantage

Law Enforcement Powers +2

(no description)

I just have some rough ideas for this one, perhaps some of you could suggest more detail. Basically, this advantage is designed for Liquidators, since it would appear that they have pretty broad legal powers over Ferengi citizens regardless of where they reside (closing shops, demanding inventory and financial information, etc.)

I have the same advantage in my Traits chapter for Fantasy ICON, and I thought that it might be useful for reflecting the legal powers possessed by Liquidators.
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Anyway, there you have it. That's all the packages I've done so far. Let me know if they suck, so I can wipe 'em out and start fresh straight away. If y'all like 'em... cool. Any suggestions and comments are welcome, of course!

LQ

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"No one controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who can control me is me... and that's just barely possible!" -John Lennon

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The Trill book has come to a sort of slowdown at the moment, so I'm avaialble now. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif I'm sure the good doc will let me know when more Trill stuff is ready for me to check.

O.K. Here's what I have, and don't have.

I do have ideas on Ferengi tactics and (non-) combat. Some of their tactics are similar to Federation style of hitting critical ship's systems, but for the purpose of raiding the target and not evading it.

Some of their equipment reflect their combat "policy." Examples include engine baffles, stealth (not cloak) packages, and a myriad of equipment "borrowed" from everyone in the Alpha Quadrant.

I don't have many ideas about Ferengi personal equipment, but am open to suggestions.

As far as characters and character creation, I have many ideas, including a revamp of Reknown skills to include the tracking of Wealth (and yes, you get to spend it too). The overall cost to a Ferengi character is that they have fewer points to spend on skills and attributes.

I'm still working on a way to scale the spending of Wealth points to keep game balance. If I can't make it work, I'll probably do away with it. The rule does work well with "corporation and guild" organizational structures.

Anyways, I should have a rough draft for Ferengi character creation done in a couple of weeks, so anybody who has ideas for templates, send them in.

"Satisfaction is not guaranteed."

As some background colour, don't forget to mention the "Maruader Mo" action series!!

As for skills, would Command be suitable for Ferengi? Intimidation or Persuasion seem to be used aboard Ferengi ships instead (promising the engineer a larger share of the profits if he can get the warp core online in ten minutes, or threatening a junior officer with loss of his earnings).

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"We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

"Mr.Kalor, give them a full spread of Quantum Torpedoes - let's see if they're right on that last point"
Captain Matt Hunter, USS Tempest NCC-81205.

Re: Glory/Courage/etc...

I have an even better idea that "Net Worth", folks... Why not "Lobes"? Seems a common Ferengi term for guts, accumen and all sorts of other characteristics, as in "He's got good lobes for arms deals," or "You haven't got the lobes to oppose me!"

And the Nausicaan version of Courage points would "Grumbah"... http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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Doug Burke

McCoy: "You're taking me to the promised land?"
Kirk: "That's what you get for missing staff meetings, Doctor."

LOBES!

Give that man a bar of Latinum... Thats perfect...

Thus freeing up Greed for -1 disadvantage... A Ferengi would have to spend a courage point to ignore ANY event that promises payment, even those situations that are clearly too dangerous...

(Possibly -2 for other species as the Ferengi who succeeded and got paid would advance in his societies standing...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

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Originally posted by ArsenicMan:
#1. Here's the preliminary assignments:
I've also e-mailed Dave Biggins asking if he'd be willing to write two adventures for us.

I'd be honored to! Thanks for asking! I've got one in mind and I'll zap an outline your way. If you could give me a laundry list of any specific ground/rules that you'd like me to cover, let me know.

You should probably assign a hefty social disadvantage to female Ferengi, or have the character take the Dark Secret disadvantage if she disguises herself as a male.

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:) <<<<

LUGTrek isn't really dead. Not as long as we remember it.

Caretaker: OK, then you can start on chapter 2 for now - apparently the doctor is a bit busy http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif If I don't hear back from spyone, I'll split his chapters between us.

Queeg: Looks good. But that's only a note!?!?! We'll make it a sidebar in the finished product. As for the Law Enforcement Powers... perhaps, in the case of Liquidators, they should have a -2 disadvantage to counter this - Feared. After all, who wants a FCA agent to come knocking?

Captain Hunter: Marauder Mo will be in there, somehow! (Although, I think we'll leave the action figures out of it, except possibly as a health hazard!) As for Command... What does Quark do to Rom & Nog? He bosses them around... the loss of profits is implied in failure to obey. So they can command... people just obey for different reasons.

Doug/Dan: Two bars, actually. Lobes it is.

Dave: Not yet... I'm thinking that both should involve commerce to some degree, and probably one relating to the dangers that can come from there. I'm awaiting your outline!

Sarge: OK... New disadvangate: Female -3... But how to overcome, is the question... Any ideas, anyone?

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It's is our last, best hope for peace? We are so screwed.

O.K. Here is the latest!

Unfortunately, we will not be given bulletin board space to work on the sourcebook. It looks like we will either have to continue using this BBS, or even private chat rooms on aol. I realize this can be a problem because not all of us use aol.

That's okay though. At least other gamers can see what we have going on. It's not like we can sell this thing, and we can't go to jail for doing this http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif.

I'll definately use the character archetypes everyone's been posting. THEY'RE GREAT!!!!

I'm starting to write some of the chapter text for character creation, which brings me to the next point. Everyone involved should swap addresses so that we can review each other's work and give each other credit on the final product.

I realize this is going to take some time... many of us either run or play in our own games.

I hope this news does'nt discourage anyone. There have already been some great suggestions sent in. I hope everyone uses what is presented so far. We really need to keep game balance in mind as we develop this project.

Until tomorrow!!

Robert

I feel I need to apologize, but the reality is that there are simply too many sourcebooks being planned right now, and I can not make seperate discussion areas for each. Until one project is completed and reaches fruition, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. I hope you understand. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/frown.gif

In any event, I wish you all the best of luck and if the situation changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I hope you can continue to work on the project here and through e-mail.

Regards,
Don

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Well before the Cardassian Book got a page here, they started an egroups list...

Perhaps thats an option that could be investigated...

Now for Maurauder Mo...
Perhaps the chapters openers, should include a short vigenette, written in the style of the Maurauder Mo cartoon exemplifying the chapters subject?

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"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

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Originally posted by ArsenicMan:
Queeg: Looks good. But that's only a note!?!?! We'll make it a sidebar in the finished product.

I meant the dedication as a note in this thread. Glory and Praise to Mr. Long and the rest of the LUG staff could be a whole chapter, actually. OK, maybe a thanks in the intro would probably be sufficient. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

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As for the Law Enforcement Powers... perhaps, in the case of Liquidators, they should have a -2 disadvantage to counter this - Feared. After all, who wants a FCA agent to come knocking?

Hmm... a interesting idea. Although, I wonder if being feared would really be a disadvantage? Must ponder this concept some more, since Overlays don't normally have advantages & disadvantages inherent to them.

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Sarge: OK... New disadvangate: Female -3... But how to overcome, is the question... Any ideas, anyone?

Wouldn't Diminished Social Status -2 or -3 cover this one? Since it already exists in the rules, there's no need to create a new disadvantage for "being" female.

I like what I see so far for this project.

Robert: since you're working on the character creation chapter as well, I'll e-mail you any more packages that I come up with, OK?

*Queeg goes off to the cellar to grab some fresh tube grubs*

LQ

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Originally posted by Don:
I feel I need to apologize, but the reality is that there are simply too many sourcebooks being planned right now, and I can not make seperate discussion areas for each. Until one project is completed and reaches fruition, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. I hope you understand. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/frown.gif

In any event, I wish you all the best of luck and if the situation changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I hope you can continue to work on the project here and through e-mail.

Regards,
Don

I understand perfectly, and thanks for the explanation.

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Originally posted by Dan Gurden:
Well before the Cardassian Book got a page here, they started an egroups list...

Perhaps thats an option that could be investigated...

I just made one. Send a message to Greed_is_Eternal-subscribe@egroups.com to subscribe. I've also sent an invitation to everyone here.

Once people subscribe, we can merely look at the members list to see who is working on the project.

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Originally posted by Liquidator Queeg:
Queeg: Looks good. But that's only a note!?!?! We'll make it a sidebar in the finished product.

I meant the dedication as a note in this thread. Glory and Praise to Mr. Long and the rest of the LUG staff could be a whole chapter, actually. OK, maybe a thanks in the intro would probably be sufficient. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif

Sorry, I thought that that actually went with the template http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif OK, thanks in the intro it is.

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As for the Law Enforcement Powers... perhaps, in the case of Liquidators, they should have a -2 disadvantage to counter this - Feared. After all, who wants a FCA agent to come knocking?

Hmm... a interesting idea. Although, I wonder if being feared would really be a disadvantage? Must ponder this concept some more, since Overlays don't normally have advantages & disadvantages inherent to them.

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Sarge: OK... New disadvangate: Female -3... But how to overcome, is the question... Any ideas, anyone?

Wouldn't Diminished Social Status -2 or -3 cover this one? Since it already exists in the rules, there's no need to create a new disadvantage for "being" female.

You're right - Diminished Social Status it is, but probably -3.

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I like what I see so far for this project.

Good. I hope the rest of it is as good or better.

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I am indeed busy. Sorry for the delay of my response.

And although I wish to collaborate with this project as much as I can, several other things are slowing me down. But please, reserve me a chapter!

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Originally posted by Dr. Jonas Bashir:
I am indeed busy. Sorry for the delay of my response.

And although I wish to collaborate with this project as much as I can, several other things are slowing me down. But please, reserve me a chapter!

Like I posted earlier, chapter 5 is yours. Would you rather do it from scratch or would you rather do polish of a rough draft?

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It's is our last, best hope for peace? We are so screwed.

Send it in! I'll try to combine it with an article I once made for a local ST magazine.

Just a question about Chapter 5: what should be the focus that I take here? A plain, simple analysis of the Rules, attached with an explanation about the cultural and economical reasons of their appearance? Something rule-wise? History and facts cross-linking?