Rate ST:Ent Kir'shara Arc

Overall the arc was good very good though it reverted to some TNG esq moments in my mind at times. This Arc did more to get us moving toward the Federation I think then any single previous episode. We still still need to see how the Tellerites work into the whole scheme of things but I believe the upcoming Babel arc will see to that. Vulcans got more depth in this as well and we came to understand there basic culture a little better i think then everbefore. There was a real TOS feel to the background of the story even if it played out as a very good DS9 arc.

I gave it an 8

Opps! I forgot to hit the poll section on the thread page. Well you all know what the numbers are so just do it unscientifically this time out. :)

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Originally posted by Eric R.
Opps! I forgot to hit the poll section on the thread page. Well you all know what the numbers are so just do it unscientifically this time out. :)

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I am watching out for you :p

Overall, the arc was interesting though I have a few problems with Enterprise's portrayal of Vulcans though we now learn the real influence behind this so it is somewhat mitigated.

I have been enjoying the appearance of the Andorians and the glimpses we get into their background. Since very little has been established in canon, it is far more difficult to tread upon what has gone before. :D

Regards,
CKV.

Thanks Matt :) we are now once again scientific folks :D

I like that arc very much, even if nothing really surprised me. Gave it 8 too.

The arc serioulsy rocked. They should have brought in Coto much sooner.

BTW, have any of you guys any idea of the ratings Enterprise is getting this time around?

They are lower then previosly for the most part however They consistently beat WB and give FOX a run for it.

Thanks, Eric!

Rumor mill has it that the show won't be renewed for a 5th Season. Having no idea about the actual ratings, I wanted to check if there was any chance of that happening.

The ratings are for ENT are poor, and chances for season 5 are slim at best. I feel this is why season 4 has been (by far) the best season.

http://www.startreknow.com/index.php?act=SF&f=17 has collected ratings and comparisons for previous seasons.

From http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve...272|||,00.html UPNs season average is 2.5/4

Enterprise is about average for UPN at 2.2/4 or so.

It's not doing great, and it's declined a ton from the first season.

The question isn't so much about how the ratings are doing but is the show making a profit, looking at advertising revenue (which comes out of the ratings and demographics of the ratings--more ratings==more advertisers wanting to get on the show==more revenue) vs cost to make the show.

I believe for this season they've cut the budget: hence all the talk about stuntcasting Shatner, but then not having the money to do so.

UPN press releases still mention that Friday Ratings are up from last year, and that Enterprise is bringing in the Young Male demographic to some extent.

that may or may not allow the show to pass muster and survive for next season.

I'd go even odds on it being cancelled.

Edit: One further thing to consider: What would UPN/Viacom replace Enterprise with? It might survive just because it's not bleeding too badly, and nothing else seems better.

Alex

One other thing that goes unmentioned most of the time, Enterprise is usually repeated at least once in most markets, in Pittesburg its on again at 6 on Staturday evenings. So many simply watch it at a more convinent time or tape the sucker. Not to mention that most shows on Friday work with a vcurve anyways considering the time and date. Therefore a simple glance at ratings is not I believe a realistic factor to determine if a show, especially Enterprise lives or dies. If I had to guess I would say Enterprise reaches double the audience of what the ratings say when you add in repeats, VCR's and etc...

I thought the whole story was really good.

I for one would like Enterprise be back for a 5th season. :)

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I'd go even odds on it being cancelled.

Edit: One further thing to consider: What would UPN/Viacom replace Enterprise with? It might survive just because it's not bleeding too badly, and nothing else seems better.

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Execept, perhaps, that new Star Trek show J. Michael Straczynski pitched to Paramount. . .

Are you being facetious Ezri or is there truly such a show?

Regards,
CKV.

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One other thing that goes unmentioned most of the time, Enterprise is usually repeated at least once in most markets, in Pittesburg its on again at 6 on Staturday evenings. So many simply watch it at a more convinent time or tape the sucker. Not to mention that most shows on Friday work with a vcurve anyways considering the time and date. Therefore a simple glance at ratings is not I believe a realistic factor to determine if a show, especially Enterprise lives or dies. If I had to guess I would say Enterprise reaches double the audience of what the ratings say when you add in repeats, VCR's and etc...

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It is repeated on Sunday at the Detroit UPN station. I watch and tape it.

Having had been a Nielsen rating household via diary, they do have you indicate what shows you tape. But of course I have no idea how they include that data.

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Are you being facetious Ezri or is there truly such a show?

Regards,
CKV.

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JMS says so.

http://scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main....06/21/10.00.tv

Alex

Nifty! Now that is a show I would watch just to see what he developed. I was never a big fan of Dark Skies but I followed the original B5 dilligently and don't mind Jeremiah.

Thanks for providing the link.

Regards,
CKV.

Gave the arc a solid 9. Must have to do with the sum greater than the parts or something ;) .

I really liked the arc. If possible, I thought it was a bit too concensual, giving the fans exactly what they wanted (explaining those strange Vulcan behaviours we've seen, inching towards the Federation and the Romulan wars, ...). Still, it was really nicely done, so thumbs up for this.

Actually, the only thing that could have been nicer would have been if they had scattered the episodes among a few others. If roleplaying has taught me anything, it's that it takes time to build such a story, and 3 episodes, while being a nice number, may be a bit short. Look at DS9 for instance, when the Dominion was holding the station. The arc lasted a real long time, but there were a few episodes inbetween that did not focus on the Dominion occupation. This gives the user time to get used to the ideas the episodes brought, to make them his. In the end, it gives the resolution of the arc all the more significance.
In the Kir'shara arc's case, this would have given us time to learn to know (and hate ;) ) the Administrator, see Soval change and learn to cooperate with humans, and so on. Don't you hate it when you feel villains like the Administrator should have been given more time to devellop? Granted, he's not dead, and we probably haven't seen the end of him yet, but still ...
Really, one "relief" episode between part I and part II/III would have been nice for instance.

Still, I'm happy they brought Coto aboard :D .

Well some could say that the whole Augments arc was a break from this one as "Home" was more or less apart of this arc with T'Pol's wedding and introduction of her mother being an important part of it.

Well we are sure to see the former Administrator again and perhaps they will return to explore the aftermath of these events more. I may even get to see a competent Romulan nemesis that is actually fully of the blood after how many years since "Balance of Terror" or "The Enterprise Incident"? :D

Regards,
CKV.

Awesome story ark!

Vulcan city architecture looked a little Coruscantish ;)

I give it an 8. The story is pretty good, like finding the Vulcan equivalent of the Ark of the Covenant. But I wish they put more scene or material regarding Surak's philosophy and how the contemporary Vulcans have gotten off the beaten path. Hopefully, we will get into it more since this is setting the stage for the Romulans.

Of course, that final scene would have been better if they kept the face hidden but only bring the iconic Romulan uniform into the light.

I give it a 1, I hated it, it totally destroyed what I had envisioned for the vulcans. The people who are in charge of this show should take some pointers from those who were responsible for the LUG material.