OK here is the Question:
Is Battlestar Galactica the end of Enterprise?
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OK here is the Question:
Is Battlestar Galactica the end of Enterprise?
My Vote:
This is a stupid poll !
Hmm doesn't seem to be an option? :)
Still unclear. The BSG episodes I've seen so far, which admittedly is only three, are long on characterization, and short on action. It remains to be seen whether or not that can carry the show, but when characterization is the important facet, then characterization had best be done deftly. Also, I fear they're going to get themselves in trouble with the Cylon duplicates, by confusing casual viewers, who won't readily understand why the same person appears to be in the Battlestar and on occupied Caprica. In addition, they've established a number of subplots and arcs that will have to be played out, or at least significantly advanced -- the trouble with subplots is when they fall by the wayside, and then get resurrected later and go in a direction other than the original plan.
I think as a *general* rule, the BSG fan won't like Enterprise, and the Enterprise fan will find BSG plodding. As a *general* rule. Which I break, since I happen to like both shows.
Considering BSG ate Enterprise's ratings here in the states it is a good question. Then ask it after the run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
Idea here. See what people think now and see if it remains the same when the season finale is done. Not dumb, see if people will change their minds.
People posted Polls here after the 3rd Episode of Enterprise's Season 1 and asked the same thing I am here. So I am asking it. Like it or not it is a good one.
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Originally Posted by T'lara
Ate? by only a fraction...
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For the longest time, it was said that Babylon 5 was the new standard in TV SF and Star Trek needed to make room for the new guy. Then came Farscape and now the new Battlestar Galactica.
Though it still has a loyal fan base, Babylon 5's star has faded a bit and Star Trek's still here.
Barely. A season ago, Star Trek was on life support, and I'm there urging to pull the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezri's Toy
If a new B5 series is launched -- without SCI-FI "suits" interfering with the process like they did with Earthsea -- it could recapture the glimmer.
Maybe they should move the show back to its original night (Wednesday), because frankly, I hate crappy reality shows and this Missy Elliot thing is too stoopid for me to matter. And this Missy Elliot? Compared to Queen Latifah, she's bugly.
While I think that BSG is far superior to Enterprise, I don't think that BSG threatens Enterprise. Watching both shows is not a major problem after all! I wouldn't like Enterprise to be cancelled because I like its 'Star Trekian' upbeat attitude, as opposed to BSG's grim mood. Enterprise has a LOT of great potential just waiting there to be exploited.
Enterprise is a Network show. BSG is not. Why the National Press and other places were suprised. Ratings like that on a pay channel for a show a rare. Ratings like Enterprise gets are not for a low low ranking show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space_Cadet
Exactly why the 3rd option is there. To see who supports what. So far most people think both will prevail. This is all I was looking for was people's opinions not defending their show saying this poll is stupid or what not. When BSG ends it's season if Enterprise is not cancelled by then (a rumor that has gone on for years) then yes I am going to post this again and see what the rest of us think by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake_Plissken
Even so, it still wouldn't have the fan base Star Trek has.Quote:
Originally Posted by REG
Is that kinda like ... hehehe ... if new Star Trek RPG products are released and the line revived, it still wouldn't have the fanbase D&D has?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezri's Toy
Hehehe. :p
Seriously, B5 still have a cult following, just as Star Trek had since the cancellation of TOS up until the release of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Footnote: Had a sale at my FLGS, and they were offering RPG bundles. For $25 (US), I could buy a 14-book Babylon 5 RPG bundle or Decipher's Star Trek RPG bundle (about 5 books). I picked the former. :cool:
I don't think that BSG will force Enterprise off the air. There are always enough people willing to watch anything with the name "Star Trek" attached to it. The question is: are the shows going to be worth watching?
Right now, BSG plays to a mature audience, the stories are creative, and there are no silly arguments over canon (as if these are things worth worrying about in a fictional universe!)
ENT kind of feels like methodone -- it's there for the Trek addict, and it does the job, but it doesn't give you anywhere near the high that the old stuff used to. Hopefully, BSG will force the level of writing on ENT up a notch...
But is that just for sentimental reasons alone? I have a hole filled t-shirt that serves no usefull purpose that I still keep around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezri's Toy
Considering how TV execs only want reality programming, law & order and csi, does B5 fading surprise you? I'm surprised that BSG and SG-Atlantis even got a look.
Why is there no option for Battlestar Galactica sucks ass and will die after 1 season?
I've actually been flamed because I prefer B5 to the last three incarnations of Trek. So I know that Trek does still have a zealous fan base but is it really significantly bigger? It may have been at one time. Who knows now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezri's Toy
Really? A year ago, ENT (as well as the latter portion of VOY) felt more like a detox treatment. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jkp1187
... because we're all supposed to buy a one sided view, instead of a ballanced poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstreak
Well, with such erudite arguments as those, no poll option was necessary... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
Because there is no option for "ENTERPRISE sucks ass and will die after the "Broken Bow" episode." :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverstreak
But as long as B&B remains the head of the Trek franchise, it will die. :mad:
Have a nice day! :D
This poll is pointless and stupid. I don't really need to explain why, and given the hot heads in another thread I shall just say this. What's the point of an eriudite response to a brainless poll?
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Originally Posted by REG
I agree, Berman has killed the Franchise. Enterprise, just like Voyager, had the potential to be a fantastic series, unfortunately, we got Berman running things.
How about an option that says, if they fire Berman, give Star Trek another chance?
Because nothing says as REG says Enterprise sucks @$$ and will die after season 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstreak
I am not bad mouthing Enterprise here or BSG what I want to see if you preffer one over the other, the same, or not at all. That is all the questions say: Look at them.
If you do not like the poll don't vote. Everytime someone keeps saying this is a stupid poll over and over again is that posters waste of time. Places I do not like I do not post...
Hah! That's not a complete solution. Add Braga to the statement, and I'm onboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstreak
i find this thread to be somewhat of a incitement to flamewars.. As if it actually matters what we think, wether either shows survive will not be down to us, not because they broke out the giant cotton buds and began a slugfest, and invited all the fanboys.
*Sigh*
i just hope the moderators keep watching, things SURE are getting ugly round here *looks at no one in particular... honest* :)
If you are referring to me flaming Berman & Braga, then yes, I'm guilty. :cool:
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Originally Posted by REG
Me too! :D
C'mon, you can do it. Seen you do it elsewhere. In that case, I take your arguments more seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
And no, that's not something you need care about. It just defines how I react in various contexts. :D
That being said, perhaps its time to bail on these "general chat" threads....sometimes it's best to not talk amongst fools, lest people be unable to tell the difference.... :cool:
Perzackerly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jkp1187
Creating threads like this untilatelly lead to fanboy wars.. "Which is best Starwars or Startrek" .. you might as well just dip yourself in blood and go swimming with sharks.. It's been done.. TO DEATH. Sorry for all those newbies who haven't been round in the spin cycle and want to experience it's giddying joy ride, but in reality it's more like throwing yourself round in a cheese grater while being strangled by your grandmas extra large knickers.. Thoroughly unpleasant! :D
The reality of the situation is NO, The shows will not impact on one another because unlike the simulation people this thread deals with I actually watch MANY Scifi's all in the SAME WEEK - SHOCK HORROR! I do not turn on the TV and say "Hey these special effects* are so much better than show X, so I will ditch show X and watch this new show Y".. or all all of you guys SCIFI programmes all in the same timeslot? (*Insert other reason) There is hardly ever the hard choice for me of which to chose from because they are extremelly rarelly on at the same time.
If I like something I watch it, if I don't I don't, there isn't another way to watch TV, So I don't know how this poll can make any sense!
Maybe it's not supposed to make sense. Then again, it should be a wake-up call to the Trek franchise, either they step up their flow of creative juice into the show's production, or let Les Moonves find another show to take over its remaining timeslot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
...Like another reality show. Which BTW, T'lara, is a more profitable and less expensive TV production. The actors are not paid actors, merely contestants from "all walks of life." And you don't need to keep them for more than one season, thus eliminating their need to negotiate a pay raise. It won't be long before they show them in your local movie theater.
Ok how about an option:
Tv reality shows will be the death of Startrek and Battlestar galactica franchises..
That one gets my vote! :)
Or how about "Mainstream audience will be the death of genre fans"?
Sorry, I'm still pissed Spider-Man 2 is not nominated for Best Picture.It's The Avia-TOR.
Mine too :). BTW, Erzi's Toy hit the spot. No ghetto sci fi show with an adolecent view of the world is going to hold a candle against Star Trek or Star Wars. The thing that Star Trek and Star Wars has going for them is mainstream notieriety, which no other live action scif-fi show can never achieve, especially in this climate of tv shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
No! You must bow to MY will and respect MY power! ALL OF YOU! ALL OF YOU! ALL OF YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
:rolleyes:
Damn I'm using the 'words you have said' power against you - yes you said this.. remember... So glad I joined the intelectual debate :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jkp1187
More like I finally learned to stop worrying and become a fool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
Why does jkp sounds like Princess Megabucks from the Powerpuff Girls? :eek: :p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jkp1187
They have a lot of exposures and headstarts. Rookie sci-fi TV shows have to compete with them, but they can achieve. Babylon 5 pretty much made its way to become an icon, so are those weird Brit-produced TV shows, Dr. Who and Red Dwarf. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Space_Cadet
Well, you know, it's still better than "Enterprise"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Tyger
:D
Babylon 5 is not mainstream or at least mainstream enough compared to Star Trek or Star Wars. Its still has its strong fan base but it doesn't have the casual fans that STar Trek or Star Wars has. Same can be said about Dr. Who and Red Dwarf. Trek and Wars are household names. Ask an average guy/gal on the street about Star Trek and Star Wars they'll think of icons of those shows. But I don't think "rookie" sci-fi shows have a chance in this climate of television programming, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by REG