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It's a little late, but I'll take it. Read this and see how you feel.
One can only hope he means it.
Well, at least this one. Yay!Quote:
"There will be a lot of fans cheering about that," he added wryly.
too bad you didn't realize that at the beginning of Enterprise, rather than now.Quote:
But there just comes a point where I'm not sure what else I would have to give. I certainly could see the financial value in it, but at this point, creatively, I would not want to be involved in something that I couldn't give to.
Now, if Berman can get another job too...
Alex
What's in the air lately ?
Decipher releasing Worlds, Braga done with trek. What's next ? :p
Somebody please enlighten me. What exactly has Berman done to deserve a place among the first Jupiter landing party? The way I see it (I really know very little, so I might be very wrong) Braga was the "creative" force behind Voyager, so I can understand if some people don't really like him for his contribution to Star Trek. But Berman, what has he done to deserve a place right next to Brage? I would like to know specific decisions and events that had clearly negative consequences.
I wonder if he's familiar with the phrase that begins with "Don't let the door hit you..."
You'll have to ask David Gerrold, Ron D. Moore (after DS9, he was hired briefly on VOYAGER production), and countless others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ergi
But from my POV, he's nothing but a Paramount's stooge, akin to having a network suit involving ... our should I say interfering ... with the show's creative process. To put it in today's analogy, he's our "FEMA Michael Brown."
If anything, he has earned most of my disappointment and anger than I have toward Braga.
I'm having mixed feelings about this, first I'm glad to ridding the old, while at the same time I'm worried "who's left the pick up the pieces?" Sometimes it's better to have the Devil you know.
I'm having a hard time picturing something WORSE than making Star Trek into an unprofitable, unwanted, and unenjoyed franchise that's more dead than it's original creator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix
I'm not saying with any guaratee that whatever the next iteration is, it will be good -- but I can't see the Trek franchise being in worse shape than it is now.
The Trek film and TV franchise may be having issues, but I know the book side of things is doing all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
True, but the book numbers don't have to be all that high to justify them - and even then the performance since the 1970's hey-day is way down. Point being that the franchise, as a whole, is in serious trouble - and that's largely /due/ to Berman and Braga's mismanagement of it for the past several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ineti
So crack open the champaign! :D I bet if trek was to come back, he would leech into the back door.. he is done with Trek because.. there is no more Trek right now ! DUH.. it just took a year to sink in! :D
Yes, but now who will wear the ruby slippers?
Leela, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by First of Two
^_^
Is it? That'd stink, because the quality compared to then is way up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFVanguard
Still, at least some of them are doing well:
The following books have recently gone back to press:
"Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Vol. I", by Una McCormack and Heather Jarman (third printing)
Voyager: "Spirit Walk #2: Enemy of My Enemy", by Christie Golden (second printing)
"Tales from the Captain's Table", edited by Keith R.A. DeCandido (third printing)
"A Time to Sow", by Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore (fourth printing)
"The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh: Volume Two" (paperback reprint), by Greg Cox (second printing)
"A Time to Kill", by David Mack (second printing)
"Tales of the Dominion War", edited by Keith R.A. DeCandido (fifth printing)
Voyager: "Homecoming", by Christie Golden, ( eighth printing.)
"The Star Trek Cookbook", by Ethan Phillips and William J. Birnes (fifth printing)
"Engines of Destiny", by Gene DeWeese (third printing)
Begone, Foul one! You might have started out okay, but you rapidly became a shill and a suit. Then you just became a hack. A Curse upon your mustache!
We still have Rick Berman you know, unless you reserve a more heinous title than "Devil" for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix
I found this article more depressing to be honest.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/i...d=33283&type=0
Well Berman started out great, he is largely respsonsible for turning TNG into what we know and love and gracefully exiting GR out the back door. However starting with DS9 which he had a alot more to do with then is generally acknowldged he showed a persistent conservative bent sticking with tried and true formula instead of radically new inovation in the series(s). Enterprise was a perfect example were the first two seasons tried to be TNG, the third was Voyager, and finally the forth was DS9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ergi
Meh. TNG had a great writing staff, much as TOS had a great writing staff, despite a very mediocre writing skill of the series' executive producer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric R.
I love Gene Roddenberry for coming up with Star Trek. However, the writers Gene L. Coon, Harlan Ellison, and DC Fontana -- among other talents -- that made the series into something we can watched timelessly, even the dreaded third season.
The only acknowledgment I can give Berman credit is for greenlighting the show's production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric R.
Many of the credits are due to Ira Steven Behr and before that, the late Michael Piller.
In summary, Berman's a Paramount's stooge. It's the suits that suggested him to Roddenberry, who reluctanctly groomed him as his replacement.
It is under their management that, within under a decades time span, they took a highly profitable franchise to one that no one looking to turn a profit will touch. For all that is left is the loyal die hard fan base. Most everyone else has moved on to the other areas. And unfortunatly, that is not enough to justificy much beyond printed material. And even that, in the case of RPGs, is reduced to Ebooks.
Try to put a little rose tinting on that will you please.. that was bloody depressing :D
I am sorry but it's the truth, not six years ago Star Trek rivaled Star Wars in the truest of scales. Now, Star Trek is only a small imprint of a fond memory of the original series in the eye of the general populace. And this is not due to the lack of good writers, or good actors. However, it is due to poor management of both that lead to our current state of affairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobian
Hmph! Even the loyal fans are losing their patience with the franchise's current administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by JALU3
Like I've said over at the TrekBBS, I'd rather Berman quit than Braga. At least Braga has had a sense of humor about some of his previous work that ended up not turning out (see the Voyager DVD feature about the episode "Threshold" for example). Berman has always ran foward without ever checking to see the results of what he was doing, leading to some great seasons of Trek, and some not so great, but all done with only the lightest regard for the fans.
Of course, now that Braga is out of work, his opinion might be different.
It seems likely that when the powers that be finally settle things out, deciding who owns what and where which responsibility will lie, they will clean house. If they start a series back up, it's likely not to have too many people associated with it from the past, for a number of reasons: (1) perceived failure of the franchise, (2) entirely different people running it means there's no political connections, (3) most people connected with the show's production will have moved on by necessity and likely won't be available.