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I have absolutely fallen in love with this ship, and I think it would be perfect for the sort of series I want to run ASAP (where the characters will be doing support for a new colony right out on the fringes of the UFP).
Does anyone have any information about it? I'm happy to just make it up, but if there is something (deckplans, CODA stats, etc) out there, I'd love to see them.
http://www.npowersoftware.com/userga...finallarge.jpg
I'd never heard of or seen this thing until this very moment. What era is it supposed to be from? It's kinda neat.
It was in the latest (as in, 2010, I think) Ships of the Line calendar, though that isn't where I saw it.
I first spotted it on the Drex Files website: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/11/
It's a gorgeous little thing, not much bigger than a runabout, and I'd be guessing at a crew of about five: commander, engineer, pilot, medic, science officer. Possibly combining the commander/pilot together.
Perfect for a PC ship...:)
Looks like an ambulance.
That does sound like the perfect size vessel for great PC excursions! :)
Greetings
SOTL Calender 2008 - Ice Station Alpha
Mark Rademaker's blog - has some information
I really like the images there, like the modular component here.
http://www.ewe-squad.com/runaboutconcept.jpg
and this excellent visual of the ships modular design
http://www.ewe-squad.com/runabout/usspleiades2.jpg
Here should be some gameable stats for the New Atlantic class, with some of the numbers based on the Delta Flyer, and the modular system worked up as a down-sizing of the modules on a Nebula class.
Hope this helps :)
Edit: I got a lot of information on this ship from my friend, George. He did his own work-up based on the Danube class runabouts. And I incorporated that data into what I'd posted. It works a lot better in my opinion, and better fits the size of the ship.
FG, that is fantastic! Thanks a whole bunch - it makes life a lot easier, and there's a couple of things in there I wouldn't have thought to add.
Thanks again :)
That's pretty cool FG, I assume it isn't math correct, and that you went with what felt right for the ship? As there is alot of stuff in that size 3 :)
When I get home (I'm on vacation now), I'll try to whip up deckplans for this ship.
That would be cool :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen E Oulton
It's as math-correct as anything in Starships. If I had to do all those calculations designing a ship would take me 3 or 4 days. Actually, if you try to reverse-engineer some of the Starships stats, they don't work mathematically, and some of the weapons stats, like Penetration values, don't match the weapons installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceGiant
But, it works for the feel of the ship, like you said.
Actually, when it comes to working out the stats mathematically, GURPS Space starships are a lot easier. Then again, I was never any good at math.
GURPS Vehicles is another thing all together ! That is a very complicated system, but the one they did for GURPS Space 3e is more modular and simpler. I pity anyone trying to stat out The Walton's 1920s pickup truck (let alone a Starship or a WWII Destroyer) in GURPS Vehicles without a program or excel spreadsheet to walk them through.
Bessie helped me with the ship, and we always proceed from the assumption; "If they'd allow it in Starships, it goes". Meaning if a Galaxy class ship can have Type-X phasers with 6/6/6/0/0 penetration when the Type-X has an Offense value of 10, yielding a 4/3/3/0/0 penetration with no Starship trait to account for the weapons upgrades we can fudge a bit on the size thing to get a ship that would "look good on TV".
Starships was terribly edited in addition to being pretty hideous. It's kind of obvious it was a rush job. It's not really a great standard to judge stats by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugazi Grrl
I'm working on editing a PDF of Starships to correct that nonsense...
More images...
http://stoisite.weebly.com/designs-o...rademaker.html
I like the layouts in the Expanded Starship Ops Manual much better. All the black ink in Starships, is, well, way too much IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
But, that said, I've enjoyed using the book. Sometimes my ship designs are pretty close to math-correct (especially if I get some help working on them) and then sometimes I'll fudge it based on the data in Starships to get a more cinematic effect (usually for a Big Bad ship !)
That sounds like a monumental task, if you mean you're fixing all the weapon-stats, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BouncyCaitian
It would be very interesting to see when you get it done.
You're most welcome. Did you check out the new version of the ship ? It has more modular options, and I think actually is more accurate for the ship's size configurations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldaron
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Originally Posted by Fugazi Grrl
after working on my A+ and Applecare certifications, I need something to focus the mind on to relax
Only issue I really have with starships is torpedo's. They do LESS damage than phasers and by all accounts they are supposed to do far more being a weapon of last resort or for softeneing targets. I've thought about doubling or tripling their penetration values.
I think a lot of that may come from ships with Torps with a lower Offense rating than their phasers.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceGiant
But, I do love the idea of upping the damage done by torps, it really would make using them in combat feel a lot more like cinematic Trek.
I've actually considered rebuilding that chart as Torps were supposed to bethe Hammer blow weapon
I admire your dedication. I know I'm the same way, when it comes to unwinding I like to piddle about with roleplaying stuff. But, I'm not so good with numbers as I'd dare to try and rewrite the Starships charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BouncyCaitian
Maybe take IceGiant's lead and double the Torp values so they can have the punch they always seem to on TV, and in the movies. I'm very excited about seeing what you come up with.
Would doing so mean you'd improve all torpedo weapons? Or just photon (and quantum) torpedoes? The Romulan Plasma Torpedoes (on their D'Deridex ships) seem pretty powerful (doing 7 at Point Blank range).
Penetration values or offence values? It's just that tripling penetration values would make them absolutely deadly...which isn't a bad thing, in and of itself, I just wonder how it would translate into a game (I'm yet to meet the players who show the same restraint as Picard! :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by IceGiant
I was considering having torpedoes do increased damage only when shields are down ("Keptin...if they fire while our shields are down, we will be unable to respond...")...but then I wonder if I'm conflating my Star Trek: Online combat experiences with the actual shows. I'm trying to remember if the standard process in the shows is to drop shields with phasers and then fire torpedoes?
Phasers cut through the sheilds, then torps to hammer blow the hull to scrap.
A new favortie toy is the Harg'pengh torpedo which has the virtue of doing some damage to the sheild...then over time building upa energy discharge that rips the hull to hell and back.
in that...they kept with the feel of the show
Harg'pengh ? Sounds very Klingon to me ! I love Klingon stuff, and use a lot of it in-game.
I'm assuming this will be included in your Starships Redux ?
pretty much, along witha buncha new torps, beam weapons and other odds and ends. I'm still up in the air about doing that tho. Gonna contact ST:O and see if it's cool with them. At the very least...rebuild the tables and the construction flow for the game
After reading over the book last night, I'm seriosuly contemplating re-editing from scratch to make ti more user freindly
I am pretty certain you're conflating experiences here, although not with STO alone. Almost every Trek video game ever has uses that formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldaron
On the screen we have no definitive basis for thinking that Phaedra are used against shields then torpedoes on the hull. Any statements one way or another by characters on the screen are contradicted numerous times by other statements or series of actions.
Even the idea that torpedoes are more powerful just isn't consistent across the whole of the franchise. It just trends that way.
That said, the idea to increase damage from torpedoes seems to make sense - I can just see the reasons for it being the way it is as written too, as both views have support in canon.
well after going over the book witha PDF editor....it is simply a GIF file converted to PDF.
I might have to start from scratch on building the new manual
If you're really going to do this project, I would start by rewriting the Narrator's Starship construction chapter first.. then slowly working in material from Starships for consistancy. Don't bother with new material until those steps are done.
(I've actually got this largely done somewhere, for my own reference, but it's not what I would consider 'publishable'.)
Yeah...that was my impression, too. I'm going to try to incorporate everything from the NG for Starship contruction, and then add in the Starships stuff to make for one seamless book. It's going to be a beast of a project, but having the rulles all over the place jsut annoys me and it needs severe clean up anyway
Wasn't there a ships of the line webbook for TOS as well floating around? I'd like to contact the author and ask to incorporate his tech for the book