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Well today I thought how to make a Hologram mobile without copying the Doc's Mobile Emitter. Then I thought why not create a holographic holo-emittter which can hold itself and a hologram. Does anybody think this is possible, as a "small brother of the self-replicating mine"?
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A "holographic holo-emitter"???
A device that emits photonics and forcefields ... is itself made out of photonics and forcefields???
Okay. But what's going to emit a holographic holo-emitter? You're going to need hardware somewhere along the line.
If I miss the point, please elaborate.
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Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...
No, I think he suggested that the holo-emitter be emitting something that holds it so that it becomes mobile but I must say that the answer would probably be no, it would have to be directly wired to an EPS tap and have access to a holophysical processing unit which the computer is probably largely responsible for at this time.
There is a way you actually could make a holo unit if you base it on Red Dwarf. The holo projecter is a small device that is inside of the hologram by doing that it could move with the hologram. By knowing that you could take a Remote Drone from the Price of Freedom Book which has miniature holographic equipment which can mask the drone or project a holographic image of the image of the user within 4 meters of the drone. It however dosent have force field manipulators or equipment to make holographic matter. But you could install them on the unit but would have to downgrade the operational time of the unit from 100 hours to half or even less. The drone is only a 25cm in diameter sphere so it could covered by the hologram in question just like the one on Red Dwarf.
My idea was basiclky to create a holographic holoemitter with an energy source on the holodeck and then let it hold itself stable and perhaps even holding another hologram. The energy source could be a holographic energy cell. But I guess that would be something lake a perpetuum mobile.
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You might be able to do it this way it won't be totaly holographic however. Take a small power source like a powercell from a phaser or something a bit larger. Then go to the holodeck and design the system around the powercell then have it run off of the power from the cell that might work. But being able to do could open a can of worms. Think about if the system did work all you would need is a warp core then design a holographic ship around it or possibly a holographic planet.
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yesbut even then, the system could not be based on a powercell alone...
Its all well and good to make a holographic holo-emmitter that project holograms, but once outside of an environment that projects the intial holo-emitter then that holographic emitter ceases to exist and thus any projection made by it would go too...
At least thats how I see it anyways...
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I had a prototype ship in my FASA Next Gen trek game that was a series of holographic force fields surrounding the engine room/bridge combo. It seemed like a good idea at the time, completely reconfigurable for every situation with a simple switch of a setting. Need a cargo transport, create some holographic strap on pods. Need a battleship, add some holographic phasers. Simple, easy, and direct. Refitting would be a breeze, just update the files. Repair would be deleting the old section and recreating it from scratch.
Of cource, Treknology is notoriously unstable (Exploding Consoles of Doom (tm)), and with all the episodes featuring the Holodeck malfunctioning, I don't think the project would be feasable until the 29th century.
I like the idea of a modification of the probe. Create the hologram around the probe, give it better batteries to last longer, and go from there. I personally, don't see where a holographic holoemitter would make it outside a holodeck, like Dan said.
Alex
You'd need one hell of a safety-interlock system to prevent someone from ending the world by saying "Computer: Delete Planet..."
Ok, so it has one minor law or so thats big enough to fly a rubiks cube of Borg Cubes thru
I had a rather interesting idea for a holo-emitter: a small (10 cm diameter) sphere equipped an advanced holographic emitter with resides inside the projection.
Essentially, one programs the sphere with the appropriate file, activates it, and the projection forms around the sphere.
This was originally designed for an alien race I created that used them as a defense. They programmed the spheres with some hideous monster and, like a grenade, activated them with a short delay and lobbed them at their foes. Considering the lack of safety protocols, the holographic "monsters" were certainly capable of killing the aliens' enemies.
What do you think?
mactavish out.
Actually that should work but I would also intergrate a bit of tricorder tech so that you could mask its true form. Which would mean if you wanted the sphere to register human you could or any other lifeform. Which would also open up the possiblities of using the sphere for espionage. Example someones trying to kill you, simple fake your death then use one of these little spheres to draw them out with it looking like you.Quote:
Originally posted by mactavish:
I had a rather interesting idea for a holo-emitter: a small (10 cm diameter) sphere equipped an advanced holographic emitter with resides inside the projection.
Essentially, one programs the sphere with the appropriate file, activates it, and the projection forms around the sphere.
This was originally designed for an alien race I created that used them as a defense. They programmed the spheres with some hideous monster and, like a grenade, activated them with a short delay and lobbed them at their foes. Considering the lack of safety protocols, the holographic "monsters" were certainly capable of killing the aliens' enemies.
What do you think?
mactavish out.
mactavish, I think that that is a good idea. It's different from just "They shoot it with their cool ray guns." I like Ken's idea too.
Thanks guys.
Alex
Essentially, you're looking for a mobile emitter with a radial projection rather than an axial one, though we've been shown the Doctor's emitter CAN be encompassed within his own projection (i.e. up his sleeve, on the top of his boot, etc.).Quote:
Originally posted by mactavish:
I had a rather interesting idea for a holo-emitter: a small (10 cm diameter) sphere equipped an advanced holographic emitter with resides inside the projection.
It also reminds me of the probe from TNG 'Arsenal of Freedom,' which was a clunky episode, but had some nice ideas in it.
Bob
The other thing to remember with holograms is that the range is limited by the holo-emitter.
I had a couple of ideas for holotechnology for intelligence work a few years back, one of which matched an idea that appeared in an episode of DS9, in use by the Dominion.
Holo-troops.
Only really useful at close range or as a distraction, several holographic security officers appear and take a defensive position.
Unfortunatly their Phasers only had a range of 20m in line with the extent of the holo-emitter...
This was pretty much the same thing used by the Jem'Hadar in the siege of AR-558
Then there was Holo-Bombs
A Tri-corder attached to a holo-emitter allows a holographic representation of a bomb to be created.
This can only be used as a distraction, unless it can be placed with a secondary explosion source within the emitters range. However it does have one major advantage in intel work.
No real explosive or weapons and so easy to sneak past those sensors... And Tricorders are easy to come by in the trek universe.
Any input?
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Actually, the power source inside a hologram is a good idea, only add to it a powerful immiter. Take the core out of a runabout (with its M/AM tanks, and all that stuff) and slap an immiter on it. Then, if you need a ship/habitat/station, there it is. Just program in a few safe guards -ie: saying end program on a file search and watching the ship go bye-bye- also that the ship be runabout sized or bigger, to about galaxy (or what ever the immiter can handle).
Doesn't one of the books (Player's Guide?) contain a 25 cm spherical 'probe' used for surveying potentially hostile environments that is capable of making itself invisible using holography?
Wouldn't a holographic drone just be a 'tinkered with' version of one of these? Take out the 1-liter sample-gathering area and replace it with more memory and a mini forcefield generator...
Yes, there is its called a remote drone or a guard drone.Quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
Doesn't one of the books (Player's Guide?) contain a 25 cm spherical 'probe' used for surveying potentially hostile environments that is capable of making itself invisible using holography?...
Aye, it could. Once you've modified the drone, the drone itself would be in the center of the hologram.Possibly overtime you could make the unit even smaller by trial and error.Quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
Wouldn't a holographic drone just be a 'tinkered with' version of one of these? Take out the 1-liter sample-gathering area and replace it with more memory and a mini forcefield generator...
Re. Mobile Holo-Emitters
Wasn't there a ST:tNG episode in which a
sentient holographic character was downloaded
into a self-contained "virtual world," which
(as far as the hologram was concerned) was
indistinguishable from existence on a
holodeck, but didn't involve any actual
projection.
If my memory serves me correctly, I believe
this "virtual holodeck" was about the size of
a small briefcase -- something a person could
pick up and carry around quite easily -- and
it contained the programs for *both* the
holographic character *and* his environment.
Surely, a "stripped down" module, for *just*
a holographic character, would be at least
slightly smaller -- perhaps not quite as
compact and elegant as the matchbox-sized
holo-emitted from the 29th century, but
good enough...
The episode is "Ship in a Bottle" its where the enterprise crew out fox's Moriarty by using a holo-gram in a holo-program then they ended the program which put Moriarty and the Countess in the device. The device they put him in was a independent computer system roughly the size of a briefcase.
Yes good idea with the this "small holodeck" I remember this episode, thank you http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif I think that's it.
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Hum ... does this imply that holo-emitters and force fields can really duplicate a working computer, or only the appearance (sight, touch, etc...) and effects of it? That is, can the projected computer really compute, or is it only possible to get the real processing done by the holodeck's computers and simply presented on the projected computer's screen?
And I think dream is a good example of that. A holodeck can generate a past-life of memories in a flash for a character, either as it goes or by template, so running a simulation to allow a holocharacter's conciousness to experience it wouldn't be that difficult.
It's when you decide to emit them holographically that you have to deal with Real-World Interfaces (not a Dr. Who reference http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif) Resolution, replication, collision detection, etc.
The computer in question was a normal briefcase sized computer that has nothing to do with generating holograms of any sort. The independent system is holding the computer-generated consciousness of Moriarty and is generating a computer generated enviroment so that he thinks that he is actualy living in the normal world. So basicly you could say is that he's just living a dream that go on forever which is one huge program.