What's gynoid mean?
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What's gynoid mean?
the short form: female "android"
This comes from same construction as Andro == Male, so Android is a male artificial life form resembling a human.
Gyno == female
Oid == Artificial Life form resembling human.
Hence, Gynoid == female artificial life form resembling a human
Technically, calling Data's daughter Lal an Android was wrong. Because she was female, she was a Gynoid.
Hope this helps.
Alex
Okay, while we're being picky... http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
Calling Lal a gynoid would also be incorrect. Since Lal has no chromosomes, she can not be female, any more than Data can be a male.
Anatomically, perhaps, they may appear to be male and female, but even today surgery can alter a person's anatomy to be that of the opposite gender. Legally, and colloquially, the gender-switched person may be referred to as "she" rather than "he", but since their 23rd chromosome pair remain XY and don't change to XX, biologically the person is still whatever gender they started at.
Data and Lal, while appearing male and female, don't have chromosomes, and therefore don't have a biological gender, only an apparent one.
In that sense, referring to them as "android" (man-like) or "gynoid" (woman-like) is incorrect.
(Incidentally, if the anatomical terminology for narrow and wide pelvises is anything to go by, "gynacoid" is the proper term http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif)
Data and Lal should really be referred to as "anthropoids", which is the correct term for "human-like".
But then, of course, people will be thinking that they're gorillas or something!
So I'll just shut up now! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
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"Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it is our destiny to return home..."
While we're at it, the true meaning of "android" is "Synthetic man", so Baron Frankenstein's monster would count.
Many common sci-fi terms are actually mis-applied. "Cyborg" for instance. Cyborg is short for Cybernetic Organism. Cybernetics is the science of interface between man and machine, "control theory" as one dictionary puts it, and especially the development of automated control systems. "Cybernation" is the automated control of a process or operation by means of computers.
So, Data could be a Cyborg under this definition, sice he is considered an artificial life form (organism), and he is also a computer whose role is to oversee an automated process (the distribution of resources aboard the Enterprise.
In fact, all OPS officers might fit the literal definition of the term. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
BTW, my dictionary says that valid combining forms of "gyno" to mean "woman" include: gynec-, gyneco-, gynaec-, gynaeco-, and the more obvious gyn-, or gyno-
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
Yep, you're right.
I left the "e" out of "gynaecoid"
Thanks for the pickup. Mind you, I don't know if I should trust your dictionary - everyone knows you Yanks spell everything wrong! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif
Al, screaming at MS Word's spellchecker:
"No! No! NOOOOO! 'colour' IS the correct spelling for it, not 'color'!!!!!!!"
Oooooooh...now I'm in for it! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
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"Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it is our destiny to return home..."
Well, it seems to me that if there's a choice between "color" and "colour" that the former is better, becuase the "u" in the latter is superfluous. Therefore, "color" is a more efficient and economical use of letters--and, thus, inherently superior to "colour." http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally posted by Aldaron:
Mind you, I don't know if I should trust your dictionary - everyone knows you Yanks spell everything wrong! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif
Brits usually hate when this is pointed out. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
[Whispers] Confidentially, though, I think "colour" looks "cooler," too. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/cool.gif
[This message has been edited by LCM (edited 08-10-2001).]
First, glad you like our language...Quote:
Originally posted by LCM:
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Brits usually hate when this is pointed out. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
However, to address the point above, I personally have never seen the arguement of the missing letter being economical... Probably because that arguement can be easily burned by the use of the silent P in Pschycology and other similar words... Its noted you keep that one!!! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif
I think you might find the real sticking point is in the Phoenetics, the sound of the word after the 'superfluous' vowel is removed...
I could be wrong though, as I only speak for myself and my friends, not the entire UK population... http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
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DanG.
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So, would a mechanic for a female android be a OB gyn-oid? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
And would a Force using Gynocologist be
a Obi GYN Kanobi http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Ok, Ok , Stop throwing things at me "OUCH"
Karg
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[This message has been edited by Karg (edited 08-10-2001).]
LOL!!! Oujr female android calls herself a gynoid, as well -- it's a tip of the hat to Sorayama.Quote:
Originally posted by Karg:
So, would a mechanic for a female android be a OB gyn-oid? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
And would a Force using Gynocologist be
a Obi GYN Kanobi http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Ok, Ok , Stop throwing things at me "OUCH"
Karg
What about genderless A.I.'s (are ExoComps genderless?)
And where is dr-oid derived from?
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'I dunno, I can imagine quite a bit...'
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Originally posted by Dan Gurden:
First, glad you like our language...
However, to address the point above, I personally have never seen the arguement of the missing letter being economical... Probably because that arguement can be easily burned by the use of the silent P in Pschycology and other similar words... Its noted you keep that one!!! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/tongue.gif
I think you might find the real sticking point is in the Phoenetics, the sound of the word after the 'superfluous' vowel is removed...
I could be wrong though, as I only speak for myself and my friends, not the entire UK population... http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Well, you speak for me my friend. (looks to the left and right and whispers) Don't let them fool you about the "economics" of spelling. I think laziness is the only reason they drop the "U". http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
Ok, I think I better shut up now...I'm within rifle range of some of these guys. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
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IIRC, Droid is simply a shortened form of android. Yes, Artoo looks more like a trash can than a man, but there it is.Quote:
Originally posted by Robbert Raets:
What about genderless A.I.'s (are ExoComps genderless?)
And where is dr-oid derived from?
FWIW, Japanese media (mainly manga and anime) also uses the term "bioroid" for genetically engineered people and/or clones.
Or, if you prefer Heinlein, there's Altered Person and Living Artifact status (reflecting genetic engineering or surgical modification, respectively).
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
As long as we're picking on the English, my freshman year of high school, my teacher in the subject "English" would circle in red ink every instance where I used the word "compleat". I brought this to her attention, and complained that it was not wrong, that it was a fully accepted alternate spelling for the word "complete". She protested that she had not deducted any points for it, to which I responded, "But you marked it wrong, and it isn't." Which left her speechless.
Of course, I loved doing that to her.
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
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Born in Scotland, raised in America. My whole family talk funny, and it took forever for me to start using standard American spelling. But I can drop into the accent and slang in no time at all when surrounded by Scots.Quote:
Originally posted by StyroFoam Man:
They spell funny. They talk funny. Thier TV programs are funny.
>>sigh<< an ENTIRE island of people like me!
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(I'm 3/4 English.)
The droid as genderless robots/AI sounds good. I figure that most of the Daystrom experiments would be gendered, if only to aid in their social integration.
The reason for Isis -- the first Daystrom gynoid in our campaign -- was female: CPT Maddox (he was promoted by the time of our series) built his android to the ideal he wanted... A sexy buxom redhead (using Carrie Stevens for the face & bod).
He was accompanying her on her 'socialization trials' on the series' vessel & one of the PCs, a religioso type Bajoran, found out he was giving her more than normal instruction... Actually bucked the chain-of-command & managed to get him withdrawn from the project, citing 'emotional damages'.
Maddox was booted from Daystrom, but Starfleet cares for its own, so he was attached to the Athena project -- the first sentient ship program in decades. His job was to build a robotic interface for the crew (yes, an avatar).
I am about to introduce a Daystrom-Soong Gynoid in to the game as the Chief Sciences Officer...I think this will help make the game feel more like a TNG game http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
Certainly the Artifcial Lifeforms manual is a must for this kind for thing http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
And we Canadians also spell like the British, we figure it's their language, so they have the final say http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
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Looks like a few people around here watched that episode of Buffy, the one where the college student built his own perfect girlfriend, then left her...Causing "her" to look for him.
But doesn't this take away from Data just a little bit. The reason I like Data was because he was unique. Wasn't one of the arguments a Data trial that SF didn't want to start a new "race"? Because that race would eventually lead to slave labour.
(Oh, there's that "U" again. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif)
Sorry guys just voicing my apprehension of AI. The thought of "thinking machines" just scares the bejeezus out of me.
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In the Praetors Name!
I am opposed to the stagnant nature of the Star Trek UNiverse in media...I loved DS9 becuase we saw change, but we never saw the after effect of the change though.
with all the Androids created and encountered in Star Trek, I figure that the Daystrom institute might jsut trry and make one anyway...since Starfleet does not dictate terms to them...Remember the oignal Doctor Daystom and his precious M5? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
Mad scientists the lot of them http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
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Yeah, M1-4 were dismel failures if I remember correctly. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
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In the Praetors Name!
M-5 wasn't exactly a shining success either. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
A big concern for the Federation has to be the moral implications of mass-produced sentient life. That's a bigger issue than I want to get into.
Of course, it does seem inevitable that they will have to face it. I mean, setting aside Flint's work on androids, and Dr. Roger Korby's work, and those from "I, Mudd" (all TOS), you still have the Exocomps, which were intelligent at least, and possessed of crude language skills. Whether they could achieve sentience is an open question, but if not now then eventually the answer will be yes.
(My brother suggests that Exocomps defintely were sentient, as they were aware of the end of their existance and aware that the world would continue afterwards, and that they had in fact reached a higher level of development as they displayed altruism when one voluntarily sacrificed itself to save Picard and Geordi.)
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
>I'm 3/4 English.
That puts you in the line of great men, the likes of Shakespeare, Horatio Nelson and Monty Phyton, my good man.
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There is nothing more frustrating than playing hide and seek with a deaf wolf.
An interesting addition to this discussion is entered in the opening scences of Season 2 of Andromeda... Of all things.
In a quiet conversation between Becky and Rommie, the 'girls' discuss why Andromeda has a 'buff' female avatar.
When it is revealed that having a female form is a deliberate pshycological effect, helping all humans to feel at ease with the AI, which is why All human AI's are female... Based on ancient human knowledge dating back to warning pre-recordings of the 20th century...
While not 100% applicable to Trek, the concept does have some merit, and is easily considered into this equation and current discussion.
Mac. As the Author of the AI document, and therefore specialist, have you got any input for us?
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DanG.
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Another reason why AIs might be female.
Police dispatchers are mainly female, and the reason for this is that studies show that men (which most police officers are) can more easilly understand a woman's voice over the radio.
I don't know if it has to do with the frequencies of their vocal range or a more psychological origin, but the phenomenon has been detected and verified.
The question is if the same is true for females, or if it is the opposite, or if it is neutral. Unless women have a harder time understanding a female voice in these circumstances, a female voice will become the default because at least some people find it easier to understand.
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
Spyone you are in the right ball park http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
Actually the reason alerts are female and why the American Air Force was the first to have their programmed voices be female is that the female voice can cut through background noise much better than a male.
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Apparently the same thing applies to broadcast.
The source I have says that, not only are the frequecies of male voices more prone to distortion, but that the physics of modern sound equipment, both microphones and speakers, makes them more prone to create distortion in those frequencies.
So, in the presence of background noise or interferance, female voices have a timbre that makes them easier to understand.
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
Hmmm... I wonder.
Does this mean the Enterprise computer has the sexy (+2) advantage?
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Fate protects fools, little children, and ships named Enterprise.
Our Akira (USS Athena) certainly thinks she does.
Well, Athena did get the Golden Apple from Paris, didn't she?
Spyoe, I work at a radio station as a Traffic Reporter...at 10pm we begin recording the next 2 hours for the overnight "Rollover" now with their mikes at the same level, I always have to pot down the male vopices as they distort much easier than the female ones. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
I am using a hybrid of Mac's rules and the template for Data in the Price of Freedom to create Lieutenant Commander MUSE for my gaem...Gynoids away! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
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Nope...was given to Aphrodyte.Quote:
Originally posted by Robbert Raets:
Well, Athena did get the Golden Apple from Paris, didn't she?