any one here know anything about this up and coming film? Lots of old cast members, and from the trailer looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms
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any one here know anything about this up and coming film? Lots of old cast members, and from the trailer looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms
The ex borg drone looks interesting, this does look darker then the original Star Trek. I am surprised no one has any opinions.
Looks very promising. I hope they actually get Paramount to greenlight a new series. CBS television should not be bound by JJ's non-competition clause with the movies. Nice to see Icheb from Voyager being used. Chekov looks good for 143.
Good eye Owen, looks like Icheb has got some upgrades. Tim Russ (Tuvok) seems to be a leading force for this movie. As you say I hope this leads on to a series, been too long sense we had a running series. As I said Renegades is far darker then the original Star Trek and seems to not just focus on SF personnel and expands the story to include more Federation citizens in the plot lines. I have very high hopes for this, can wait to see it in full. BTW it is set 10 years after Voyagers return (so set in 2388), looks like they will introduce some new tech as well.
here is more info, a full site dedicated to Renegades
http://startrekrenegades.com/home/
another teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgRJWBB12GA
It looks promising :) I have no problem with it going "darker, edgier and action" as long it doesn't end up with "the story is just an excuse to get to the next fight sequence" or "problems are solved by shooting it with a phaser." The feel I got from the trailers, unlike some certain recent movies, this production team seems to point in the right direction.
I'm not seeing the 'darker' bits, unless you mean the lighting design...?
from the makers of this
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Renegades will be a departure from previous Treks – delving into the dark side of the human psyche, pushing our heroes to their limits, forcing them to carry out actions that they never would have as Starfleet officers. The rules have changed, and they realize they might be the last hope to save the Federation. Star Trek: Renegades will be action oriented, filled with suspense and espionage; all while exploring new worlds, encountering both familiar and new alien species, and boldly going where no Trek has gone before.
Given that Janeway committed genocide and Archer got all 24 in season 3, I'm not sure what's left for Starfleet officers to push?
I hoping for a more 'militant' styled, some of the best visual episodes, for me, were the later DS-9 massed battles episodes (the battle for Chin'Toka for example). Take into account I am a redneck at heart though. As I previously stated I think this will be more of a rogues series rather then the traditional SF focused series, which opens up the plot lines and what we can expect from the characters.
Honestly, the synopsis isn't grabbing me.
I see it as "The Dirty Dozen" or Suicide Squad, in space: You have a collection of rogues, malcontents and others apparently doing the missions that Starfleet can't or won't do. Like assassinate a head of state. Heck, the captain is apparently a descendant of Kahn.
I reckon you are spot on Tricky. They always seem to want to break the rules (as in no Augments can serve in SF), perfect example is Julian Bashir.
You mean Khan, not Kahn, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricky
Could be interesting, or it could just as likely be another Babylon 5 Crusades.
Or Tales of the Rangers...
especially the way the networks seem to work these days, with countless series cancelled after the first season. I just hope Fox has nothing to do with it, they hate sci-fi series and would kill it before it ever have a chance. FireFly was excellent yet didn't make it through to a second season, so quality doesn't guarantee continuity. (an example of Fox idiocy)Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen E Oulton
The network wasn't the problem with Crusade - it was ill-conceived and badly cast, written and produced by JMS, as was Legend of the Rangers, but yeah, Fox has a bad record with SF, X-Files aside. Refusing to show the set-up episode until last was a stupid idea on Fox's part in re: Firef;y. They also meddled in Space: Above and Beyond, forcing it into a schizophrenic pattern, trying to make it both an infantry show as well as a space fighter-based show. Dark Skies was badly handled as well, with no reruns so one could catch up on the continuing storyline. 'Course, Dark Skies was part of a three-series package they bought, where they only wanted the other two series and tried to kill Dark Skies. Networks aren't the only reason series fail, but they can be a series' worst enemy. Then there was UPN...
Fox does have a propensity to air series out of order (FireFly and Almost Human for example). I gotta agree Crusade was bad all by it's self, with every thing working against it from the start, I doubt any network could have presented it successfully.
Well, to be fair to Fox, they might still have been expecting to be ordering a series from showrunners that works like shows did before the Serialized Age. The ability of TiVo and DVDs to shift how series were being watched, especially by the non-soap demographics, isn't necessarily something they're going to jump on immediately, especially all the way back in 2003.
Also, you know, maybe Firefly wasn't actually that popular. Even in this day and age of geek-centric media, there are still things that don't have as much cross-demographic appeal as, say Sons of Anarchy, which has a similar premise in a non-SF context.
FireFly generated a loyal cult following as well as winning several awards. While it may not appeal to the wider audience I believe it could have been a successful series. I liked it because of libertarian themes seeded throughout the series. I also feel the "space/cowboy" combo to be unique and was a worthy premise.
available for download now on UTorrents.
What is? OOps, soryy, you ment Renegades. I've now downloaded it, and aside from the costume and sets for SFHQ, I'm OK with it. Section 31 fans should be as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by WaveMan
I thought posting in the Renegades thread most people would get what show I was referring to.:p
just watched it (Renegades) and I liked it, gets a solid B+ from me, some of the acting and direction was a little poor, but overall not a bad movie and taken that this is the only non-Abram's stuff available I suppose one should not be too critical.
I liked it a lot. Gary Graham was in it. FOX burned him in its ALIEN NATION show years back when irregardless of ratings they'd cancel everything each year.
RENEGADES has issues but it was fairly solid for fan show. Hints at how fragile Fed is, destroy access to dilithium and the whole house of cards come falling down. Chekov was great and dominated his scenes. Tuvok has great screen presence but a boring personality (most Vulcans do I find).
Federation Captain was annoying, reminded me of Stiles and his ilk, typical post TOS era types SF seems to recruit. Also shows the Prime Directive progression from Kirk's day. Flexible in TOS, rigid in TNG era a suicide pact in early 25th Century.
KickStarter now happening for Renegades ep 2&3, if we want this to continue we should get behind it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpDRlXq2fu8
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I overlooked bad acting/dialogue as this is a fan production and plenty of bad eps have been produced by pros.
so true mate and well said. It seems as though we will never get another 'real' (as in not bastardized Abrams type) Star Trek series or movie so fan based stuff is our only option. What we need is some eccentric billionaire to bankroll another series or a 'back to the core of Trek' movie, surely at least one Trekkie has a disposable income not to miss a few million dollars...LoLQuote:
Originally Posted by Easterner
Not really, this is a professional production being pitched to the studio. I don't feel we should cut them any slack on the acting. True, it's being produced on a fan-production budget, so I will cut them slack on sets and costuming, which clearly show a low-budget look (especially the abominable Starfleet uniforms, which look like they were bought at Value Villages's Hallowe'en aisle, but almost all the actors are industry professionals. Russ, Koenig, Picardo, Intiraymi and Herd are all Star Trek veterans reprising roles from the various series and were OK at best. Sean Young is way past her prime, and Eddie Furlong is a washed up child star. Now, if it does get picked up as a real series, the sets and costumes will obviously be reworked to the standards we expect, as will the lackluster makeup, but the writing and direction also need work. I'll give the actors the benefit of doubt in assuming the lackluster performances were due to a lack of direction.
I would much rather the costumes looked like the Voyager Endgame future costumes as a minimum, even though they're my least favourite canon uniforms. I'd rather, though that the used the DS9/TNG movie uniforms or the ones that STO copied from the Countdown comic leading up to the JJTrek movies. That one looked back at the DS9/Voyager uniforms with a more sculpted look to the shoulder panels. These were just plain terrible. For one thing, I couldn't figure out the significance of the black and white braid on some costumes. For another, the custard yellow for Operations was way too light and needs to be a deeper golden yellow. I liked the horizontal rank tabs, but would've liked to have seen a few with hollow bars for such ranks as Lt(jg) or LCdr. The TWOK-esque shoulder straps did not work with these pajama-type uniforms, and I did not like the pronounced difference in cut of the female uniforms. The Starfleet Command sets just sucked - badly. the yellow colouring made everyone looked jaundiced.
Story-wise, if they're going to make Tuvok the head of Section 31, they need to do something to establish that it's no longer a complete rogue agency answerable only to itself. They alluded to Chekov as head of Starfleet Intelligence having a measure of authority to the Section, but only in passing. This needs to be developed, preferably over the first couple of episodes. Admiral Paris seemed not to have any reason to be involved. And how the hell did a disgraced scientist get her hands on the HoloDoc's mobile emitter so she could carry on a long-distance affair with Zimmerman? Further, why does she need it? Why not just use a standard holosuite since all they want to do is neck and presumably have mad, passionate, holographic sex?
For me that kind of minutia is unimportant and trivial (uniforms styling etc)
I totally agree with your assessment of the story-lines.
I will say I was a little disappointed in some of the seasoned actors performance, but IMHO I can forgive that somewhat as I said.
I also found the whole mobile emitter point somewhat moot, most vessels of the era would have holo-emitters mounted through out making holo-personnel access less of an issue.
Most Starfleet ships, sure, but this was a scummy pirate ship. Starships were beginning to be so equipped back as far as the then-new Prometheus cl;ass in the final seasons of Voyager. But they made a point of the holo emitter without thinking the ramifications through. I suspect they did this to establish her as a ba-a-ad grrl (sic) without actually having to say why she's an
But yeah, costumes and sets, along with the makeup would definitely improve once it gets into the hands of the studio.outcast.
Ahh that opens up a different can of worms. Scummy pirate ships.
In TRAVELLER pirates are everywhere in starships hoisting the Jolly Roger. I say BS impossible, same with the pirate ship in the FIST series massacred by the Aliens in the Cragg-Sherman book series. The cost of a modern ship is 10's of millions of the currency of your choice. Note in late 20th, early 21st century pirates operate from motor boats not naval frigates or coastal missile boats. The 16th century pirate model is dead and gone. In simple terms if you can afford to build a pirate ship, you don't need to go pirating.
In Trek the pirates are part of a major group of cartels based on Orion and nearly a government outright, ipso facto ergo sum then can afford a fleet of pirate ships and make a profit.
That would indicate for Lexxa to have a pirate ship it would have to be stolen and re-equipped again for millions or given to her by a patron who benefits from her disruption of Federation commerce. i.e. House of Duras, Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Orion cartels some major faction with an axe to grind against the Feds.
Does Tim Russ or the myriad of Traveller writers or Sci-Fi book authors know this, not likely but such is the romance of the Golden Age of Piracy.
true SOME high octane merc companies would have access to all cutting edge technology, and I agree it isn't difficult to achieve a very capable Mercenary Corvette capable of handling most situations fairly easily (most RPG's I participated in allowed such collaborations) though they should not be the norm. Though for story telling purposes such a vessel isn't beyond imagination.
Piracy in the classical model makes much more sense in Traveller though, because you have the ability to move (physically and economically) the goods you'd grab; similarly the long travel times and poor ability to coordinate responses (because of the lack of FTL) means that anti-piracy activities are at a serious disadvantage. Given that people like the PCs, as small ship operators, are explicitly a common thing in the spacelanes of Traveller, access to the necessary equipment to be an effective pirate is already in the hands of a lot of the people who would be tempted to turn to piracy.
The situation of piracy in Star Trek RPGs is way different, and much more like our current world. They have the ability to track ships across interstellar distances, and coordinate responses to pirate activities that can effectively locate bases of operations. The mere fact of the Federation's ability and willingness to solve the economic issues that causes piracy—it's dangerous, mostly boring, mostly unrewarding work, and if the UFP can just drop aid packages essentially as a bribe for people to chill out then any pirate ships will quickly find themselves unmanned—should mean it's less prevalent, at least in their sphere of influence. Trek actually got all the way to TNG season 7 before you meet anyone who even remotely fits the 'space pirate' mold.
I think you are forgetting the Ferangi , many operated as privateer's (being unofficially sanctioned by the Ferangi government) and some could have been considered to be true pirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
If anyone wants to have a look at what piracy and associated subjects would look like in a Trek setting the Raiders, Renegades and Rogues source book for ST/DS-9 RPG goes into detail about piracy/mercenary/raiding.
The Federation is, in my mind, not a "solid shape" but more like Swiss cheese or foam. It is full of areas (well, volumes) that is not UFP space within it. Then we have a lot of other neighboring areas (like Klingon and Cardassian space) where Starfleet would not be able to go.
So I find "age of sail" type piracy and privateering quite plausible in Trek. Having ships and individuals like in Renegades fit my view of UFP quite well, and how common (uncommon) it is and how UFP generally handles it is part of what makes UFP to be Utopia-ish for me (not a major part... but still).
With that said, it probably would come as a surprise to anyone that I liked episode one. The props, effects, acting and story was good enough for me and I definitely want to see more :)
I wonder if the Pakleds in "Samaritan Snare" count as pirates.
If any of you millionaires out there have a spare 150K. RENEGADES wants it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...isodes-2-and-3
on would think with around $100 million William Shatner could spare a buck or $100K...for the show
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetwo...ner-net-worth/