BORG Cube Vs...

Okay so I am going to have a BORG cube come through (not sure if it should be a Tactical Cube or not) at Sector 001...yes Earth http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

This is a modified version of Endgame...now these are the ships that the Starfleet has assembled to deal with it...all from the 46th Fleet...

U.S.S. RAMESSES - NCC • 76008 - Sovereign Class Heavy Explorer

U.S.S. CHALLENGER - NCC • 71099 - Galaxy Class Explorer

U.S.S. VENTURE - NCC • 71854 - Galaxy Class Explorer

U.S.S. LAKOTA - NCC • 76003 - Ambassador Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. EXETER - NCC • 26531 - Ambassador Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. ARTIMAGE - NCC • 29092 - Ambassador Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. LOCKHEAD - NCC • 60275 - Nebula Class Exploratory Cruiser

U.S.S. SAVANNAH - NCC • 69280 - Nebula Class Exploratory Cruiser

U.S.S. THUNDERCHILD - NCC • 63549 - Akira Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. SPECTOR - NCC • 65549 - Akira Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. EVERET - NCC • 68117 - Akira Class Heavy Cruiser

U.S.S. GRENDEL - NCC • 67431 - Freedom Class Frigate

U.S.S. VALKYRIE - NCC • 68789 - Freedom Class Frigate

U.S.S. SATYR - NCC • 64579 - Centuar Class Cruiser

U.S.S. CHIPPAWA - NCC • 72113 - Cheyenne Class Light Cruiser

U.S.S. IROQUOIS - NCC • 73830 - Cheyenne Class Light Cruiser

U.S.S. BLACKHAWK - NCC • 53742 - Steamrunner Class Heavy Frigate

U.S.S. REDEMPTION - NCC • 67452 - Steamrunner Class Heavy Frigate

U.S.S. ROANOKE - NCC • 59047 - Steamrunner Class Heavy Frigate

U.S.S. HORNET - NCC • 54129 - Steamrunner Class Heavy Frigate

U.S.S. PARIS ISLAND - NCC • 53232 - Steamrunner Class Heavy Frigate

U.S.S. BELGRADE - NCC • 64908 - Norway Class Fast Frigate

U.S.S. KHITOMER - NCC • 64793 - Norway Class Fast Frigate

U.S.S. NEW YORK - NCC • 66822 - New Orleans Class Frigate

U.S.S. GENEVA - NCC • 66810 - New Orleans Class Frigate

U.S.S. FARSCAPE - NCC • 74856 - Intrepid Class Light Explorer

U.S.S. BELLEROPHON - NCC • 74705 - Intrepid Class Light Explorer

U.S.S. INDEFATIGABLE - NCC • 74815 - Intrepid Class Light Explorer

U.S.S. QUEENSLAND - NCC • 73549 - Sabre Class Light Cruiser

U.S.S. DEFIANT - NCC • 74205 - Defiant Class Heavy Escort

Okay now standing by is the Voyager and Prometheues, but they won't come through for at least 5 rounds.

Also on standby is the USS Enterprise, if it gets too out of hand http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Also the PC Captain will more than likely try and rally Klingon support due to his connections http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Now do you think I should use a Tactical Cube or a just a normal Cube?

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Are you using Voyager Borg or Evil Borg?

If the former, send in a runabout to tackle that Tactical Cube.

If its the latter, call in the Enterprise for that CUBE

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SIR SIG

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His a MapMaker in disguise.

Either way, the entire fleet is dead...

Unless of course your using Voyager 'pussy' borg...

Consider the evidence...

1 - Phasers, if your generous 1 in 10 shots might get through. Adaptations to previous frequencies render then null and void, not lower their effectiveness.

2 - Shields, and most modulations have been adapted to. Like phasers you might be generous, 1 in 10 shields might withstand borg assault for all of 30 seconds...

The rest are targets for the many torpedos, cutting lasers, and assimilation parties...

3 - Photon Torpedo's. Been adapted too, sorry, no good.

4 - Quantum Torpedo's. See above.

5 - Ablative Armour. See above...

6 - Klingon, Cardassian and Romulan Weapon systems... Well, we have seen Drones from all those species, so the same rule applies, what didn't stoip the Borg once, isn't going to do it again.

That is the plus side of the Borgs 2 failed assaults on Earth, they might have lost 2 cubes, but the next time theres bugger all anyone can do about it...

In fact the only weapon you describe that you have against the Borg is;
"Also on standby is the USS Enterprise, if it gets too out of hand"

Why are they on standby? Picard is the Federations greatest Borg expert? He has been within the Hive Mind and survived, he knows where and when to hit them, and is probably the reason the next assult will involve multiple cubes (The next adaptation to the tactics gained by his knowledge).

This is all if you are using the proper Borg... If you wanted to use the 'pussy' Borg from Voyager all the above is null and void as your players get to wipe their feet on the queens face...

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Alright the BORG from First Contact classify in which catergory? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

And in game the Enterprise is on route, but will arrive only if the players need a nig bail out and don't cook up something truely devious on thier own http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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I'm still not certain if the Borg will definitely have adapted to quantum torpedoes. If they hadn't managed it by the time the Enterprise showed up in First Contact, then it's more tricky than adapting to phasers or photons. Possibly, due to the nature of the weapon, it's actually not possible to adapt to it (maybe the explosion covers so many frequencies/forces that the shield can't adapt to them all, at least not without becoming vulnerable to other attacks). We also saw phasers hitting the cube, which may mean Starfleet has gotten better auto-modulators for its shipboard weapons. Even if Q-torps can damage the cube, it's still one momma of an opponent if used the way Steve did during the Wolf 359 recreation - torpedo launchers a' blazin'...

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A few comments on quantum torpedoes.

Photon Torpedoes use a matter antimatter (M/AM) explosion. Simple. direct. easy.

Quantum Torpedoes use a M/AM explosion to force a quantum tunneling effect to cross the zero point energy threshold. (As a note, I can explain Zero point energy using real world quantum mechanics if it's necessary--it's not even too much math.)

Why bother with this crap? Why not just use a bigger M/AM warhead?

There has to be some reason. Here's mine:

The quantum tunneling effect creates a much narrower pulse explosion (thanks to time/distance tunneling). To most shielded vessels, this means very little. There is a big bang (bigger than the equivalent photon torpedo) and that's it. But, to an adaptive species, like the Borg, the problem with the narrow pulse width comes into effect.

Fourier mathematics tells us that the transform of a infinitely narrow (time domain) square wave is an infinite frequency of sine and cosine wavefronts (frequency domain).

Hence, if the quantum torpedo pulse is narrow enough, then the energy impacting on the Borg consists of an infinite frequency, which would be incredibly hard for them to adapt to (theoretically, it should require infinite resources--the borg are good, they aren't that good)

Hence, there shouldn't be any way for the Borg to adapt to quantum torpedoes.

Everything else, however, should be negated after a few shots at best. If there aren't enough QT's to go around, then everyone had best come up with a "Real Good Plan."

Just my feelings on the matter. Feel free to ignore at your leisure.

Alex

Agreed Cpt, a Zero Point reaction in theory has a heck of a lot of power available across a small time period.

And thus matches up with the Anti adaption technique that SF is putting them to use for.

After all they design with this thought in mind.

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SIR SIG

More then meets the eye,
His a MapMaker in disguise.

I think your average assimalator cube will do. A tactical cube might be overkill. Emphasis on kill. JMO.

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Originally posted by SIR SIG:
Agreed Cpt, a Zero Point reaction in theory has a heck of a lot of power available across a small time period.

And thus matches up with the Anti adaption technique that SF is putting them to use for.

After all they design with this thought in mind.

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We're now going Way OT: What I find truely amazing is that the physics makes sense, and might work. It sounds like for once the Producers asked a scientist what might work. And actually did it, rather than taking some technobabble explanation.

Now, to try to drag this back On Topic: As a note, I'd use a "regular" Borg cube. I'm going to rant a little here, so forgive me.

Part of the scaryness of the original Next Gen borg was their unstoppable sameness, the loss of identity of becoming one. IMO, the use of "Tactical Cubes" vs "Regular Cubes" speaks to the whole Voyager "Wussy Borg." If the Borg weren't wussy, they wouldn't need "Tactical Cubes" to be scary again.

If you're going to make the Borg scary again, I don't see the need for a special "more dangerous" cube. The original should have been dangerous enough.

JMO, take it or leave it.

Alex

Are you dead set on those ship names? I might be interested if I can command the Akira Class USS Vanguard from the other game.

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Originally posted by Captain Blake:
If you're going to make the Borg scary again, I don't see the need for a special "more dangerous" cube. The original should have been dangerous enough. JMO, take it or leave it.

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I tkae it Alex, you are correct sir http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

I think the bORG do need to be simple and scary through that single minded simplicity.



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Originally posted by Cmdr Powers:
Are you dead set on those ship names? I might be interested if I can command the Akira Class USS Vanguard from the other game.

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I am afriad all of these ships have been already established in my game as the 42nd fleet, excepting the Thunderchild (I just threw her in cause I love the name)

Tell you what, I will make the Vanguard part of the second wave of Starfleet that arrives with the Enterprise http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

What is her NCC and Captain's name please http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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U.S.S. Vanguard, NCC-68707, Akira Class

CO- Captain Dominique Montaigne

Ship's dedication: "The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"

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U.S.S. Vanguard, NCC-68707, Akira Class

CO- Captain Dominique Montaigne

Ship's dedication: "The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"

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Okay then, The USS Vanguard will be in the second wave of Fed ships with the Enterprise http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif



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Isn't the Lakota an Excelsior class ship? As for the weaponry, the Quantum torp can win the day IMHO.

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Isn't the Lakota an Excelsior class ship? As for the weaponry, the Quantum torp can win the day IMHO.

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I was, but in my game in 2377 they sold it and a number of other Excellsiors that survied the Dominion War to the Bajorans for their protection. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif So Benteen got a renamed old Ambassador http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif



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If I have this right, the Borg cubes don't have shields to adapt with, as shown by the Enterprise crewmembers beaming there and back rather easily. Only the drones have the shields. This may be wrong, but the First Contact fight went on for over an hour before Picard arrived and phasers were still causing damage. Though, as Data said, the cube maintained heavy damage to their outer hull, there's still a lot to punch through to destroy the cube, and if 120+ Starfleet ships couldn't do that, your crew better come up with one gooooood plan. (the reason the cube in First Contact was destroyed was that the collective told Picard where to shoot, because that gave them a reason to jettison the sphere halfway un-noticably to go back in time and... you know the rest.)

P.S.- don't quote me, this may all be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif. By the way, sorry for rambling.

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In the end with two waves of 60+ Federation ships they were able to destory the cube, but that happened off to the side as the players fought to get their ship back online ad collapse the transwarp conduit before 12 more cubes arrived on the scene, and fought a boarding action against the BORg as well. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif It was only the arrival of the Enterprise and Captain Picard that saved the day for the fleet....but over 25 ships were destroyed http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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If I have this right, the Borg cubes don't have shields to adapt with, as shown by the Enterprise crewmembers beaming there and back rather easily. Only the drones have the shields. This may be wrong, but the First Contact fight went on for over an hour before Picard arrived and phasers were still causing damage. Though, as Data said, the cube maintained heavy damage to their outer hull, there's still a lot to punch through to destroy the cube, and if 120+ Starfleet ships couldn't do that, your crew better come up with one gooooood plan. (the reason the cube in First Contact was destroyed was that the collective told Picard where to shoot, because that gave them a reason to jettison the sphere halfway un-noticably to go back in time and... you know the rest.)

P.S.- don't quote me, this may all be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif. By the way, sorry for rambling.

Okay I hate to do this, but http://216.40.212.6/Board/ubb/smile.gif

Space Cruiser Yamato!!!

"Ready The Wave Motion Gun"
"WE ARE THE BORG"
"Recoil Shot set"
"RESISTANCE IS USELESS"
"FIRE....."

Nuff said about Borg Cube.

My apologies for going off track , but that Idea has been kicking around in my head for a while.

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Okay then, The USS Vanguard will be in the second wave of Fed ships with the Enterprise http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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Well is it possible for me to ressurrect my character, the CAG of the 222nd Air Group onboard the USS Vanguard? CMDR Powers?

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Well is it possible for me to ressurrect my character, the CAG of the 222nd Air Group onboard the USS Vanguard? CMDR Powers?

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Tell ya what, since I ran this adventure about 3 weeks ago, I will gladly have him make an appearance somewhere down the road http://216.40.212.6/Board/ubb/smile.gif

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Hm... as I may FINALLY get my players back together, and since none of them visits here (AFAIK)... Just for fun, I'll let these little tidbits of potential dialog I have planned for an upcoming adventure slip...

"You put your nanoprobes into the WRONG boy, Queenie..."

"Lieutenant, what the Hell are you DOING?!??"

"The Hive Mind is a matter of WILL, Captain..."

"I think... HE'S assimilating THEM..."

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