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Just heard something rather alarming on the news. Apparently that 15 year old pilot in Florida had written a note expressing support for Bin Laden?!?!
What the %^&* how does this kid even begin to understand what Bin Laden is doing????
Now I really have to ask...What the hell is the world coming to?
Lucky, I don't live in Florida ... lucky for the parents of the troubled yet dead 15-year-old, that is.
I'd like to say I blame the kid's parents, but then again even the best of parents can't monitor their children's action or thoughts 24/7.
From what I read at MSN, apparently the kid was a loner. No one knew him at school and he had never been involved in activities.Crashing a plane into a building and killing himself...I can't explain that at all, but I think that this guy was full of hidden anger and self-loathing.
What scares me is the threat of copycats who seek to emulate the terrorists of Sept. 11. I shudder to think how many others will try the same thing.
Looks like the war is not over and yesterday's incident is a wake-up call that you can't just target Bin Laden, you also have to make sure that their message isn't corrupting the youth and turning out the next generation of terrorist nutjobs.
Which is probably the tougher part of the job. :(Quote:
Originally posted by ghosty
Looks like the war is not over and yesterday's incident is a wake-up call that you can't just target Bin Laden, you also have to make sure that their message isn't corrupting the youth and turning out the next generation of terrorist nutjobs.
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1. He _didn't_ understand Bin Laden, that's why he supported Bin Ladden. Same with 99.9% of his other supporters I imagine.Quote:
Originally posted by Phantom
Just heard something rather alarming on the news. Apparently that 15 year old pilot in Florida had written a note expressing support for Bin Laden?!?!
What the %^&* how does this kid even begin to understand what Bin Laden is doing????
Now I really have to ask...What the hell is the world coming to?
2. Hell, in a handbasket.
I'm afraid that under his last current mental state just prior to that crash he himself executed, he probably did understand Bin Laden or the purpose of the terrorist network, like the Hamas (I am still disgusted by videos of a children's festival featuring kids dressed up as suicide bombers and praising them).Quote:
1. He _didn't_ understand Bin Laden, that's why he supported Bin Ladden. Same with 99.9% of his other supporters I imagine.
I don't know... given some of the online conversations / post-battles I've had with certain in-duh-viduals regarding their 'justification' of terrorism, their pseudoguilt and their consistent belief that their own country is somehow less morally upright than a country in which they shoot women in the head for perceived infidelity, I would not be suprised at all that there are some 14-20 year-old people who actually support BinLaden... if only because they hate their country as much as he does.
Styro: Sears Tower? Naah. Skyscrapers've been done. I'm worried about DisneyWorld.
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Originally posted by First of Two
Styro: Sears Tower? Naah. Skyscrapers've been done. I'm worried about DisneyWorld.
I have a friend who works at Disney World (last I heard she wears a Chip costume)
She told me once that there were tunnels under Disney World, and a plan in place to evacuate all visitors to these tunnels within 15 minutes.
I heard something like that as well.
Makes you wonder what goes on in those "bunkers" when not used in emergencies.
The real power behind the CIA and NSA...Mickey??? :D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Phantom
I heard something like that as well.
Makes you wonder what goes on in those "bunkers" when not used in emergencies.
She had some stories about that as well, but this is a family-oriented board (isn't it?)
15 min in theory, in practice-never been done- to get all those people out of what they are doing and into those tunnels..
If you have ever seen these tunnels you would have the same snicker as we did..yeah right..
but targeting scrapers is one thing going after things such as disneyworld/land or events such as the superbowl or opening ceremony of the olympics would be the new way to go..
but I have better things to do than to worry if somebody has hijacked a supertanker and has turned it into a floating bomb..
besides constantly worrying about such things means they win....
Anyone here remember being 15? I know I sure thought I had a firm grasp on the world. Silly 15 year old me....
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Ever think of flying a plane into a building when you were 15.:eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Azar Kel
Anyone here remember being 15? I know I sure thought I had a firm grasp on the world. Silly 15 year old me....
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I mean what is going on, when I was in school all you had to worry about was being roughed up by the local bully, then it was knives...Now its being sprayed by some nut with an UZi. Where did things go so out of control?
When I was 15, there was no internet, no cable TV, no satellite TV, terrestrial TV with its self censorship kept some sort of perspective I think. Now kids of 15 have access to information and propaganda that we couldn't get our hands on at 15...its a different world Phantom.
When we were kids, we would want to play the white hats, the good guys who win at the end. Today, kids want to be the gangstas...
Another reason I think are parents. When I was 15, my mom didn't work (well she did but not full time) so she was around to keep an eye on me. Today both parents work and kids aren't just under their parents' eye anymore and many parents just don't have a clue how their kids entertain themselves and well the internet is just beyond some of them.
Well, according to the tests, when I was 15 I already had the mental development of a 28-year-old... ;)
But seriously, I think it's a lot of factors. The total breakdown of self-discipline and enforced discipline has a lot to do with it, as does the breakup of the family, the need for a two-working-parent home (I blame on high taxes), and the general sorry state of good instruction in critical thinking.
It's also the "Culture of Victimization" phenomenon:
People are unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and mistakes... "I'm a victim! I'm being oppressed!" (Which is also a major factor in our overlitigous society, which is also a major factor in the high cost of insurance, etc., etc...)
BUT They're perfectly willing to believe (and others are perfectly willing to teach them) that they and their ancestors are/were 'evil oppressors' who have victimized everybody else.
Institutionalized self-loathing.
Don't know about that. There were school shootings when I was 12 or so (I'm 30 now). Remember "I don't like Mondays" by the Boomtown Rats? Supposedly based on a true story...Quote:
Originally posted by Phantom
...I mean what is going on, when I was in school all you had to worry about was being roughed up by the local bully, then it was knives...Now its being sprayed by some nut with an UZi. Where did things go so out of control?
When my mother was in her twenties (i.e. pre-Dan) back in the 60's, she taught school in inner-city Brooklyn. She taught 2nd grade kids who often had knives with them in school. Their older brothers (11-12 years old in some cases) had graduated to guns. She's told me that these shootings are sadly not new, but the massacre-like aspect and the fact that they've happened in middle-class and affluent suburbs is.
Well my father grew up in Toronto and Ottawa in the '40s and all he had worry about was someone starting a scrap, and it was was decided by fists. He didn't run into knives or guns.
I realize the shooting are not new. Someone brings Dad's gun to school to show off and someone gets shot, someone is bullied he shoots the guy who bullied him, but these massacres...These are new.
Break up of families has, IMO, little to do with it. Not saying it isn't a factor, but discipline is a larger part of it. Parents can't discipline their children properly these days. If you do someone calls the cops.
Responsibility is another factor...The responsiblity of parents and teachers to recognize what is going on with their charges. Don't say they can't, they sure did when I was in highschool, and that was just 10 years ago.
When I was fifteen (18 years ago) I was beaten bloody with a baseball bat. My senior year I had knee surgery to repair my MCL because of the damage caused.
If I wasn't such a nice guy, I would have made a nice batch of home brewed explosives and wrecked the school, or gotten one of Dad's innumerable weapons and gone "Hunting".
Fortunately, I had another outlet for my violent tendancies, Role Playing Games. I killed a whole lot of Soviet Spies the next Top Secret game, IIRC.
I also had a firm grounding in Personal Responsibility.
So, the violence has always existed. Alienation has always existed. And doing awful things to get attention has always existed.
Unfortunately, our society has grown more jaded, and while in the old days, having long or punk hair, playing loud music, etc were enough to get that attention, that certainly isn't the case now.
I dressed in black, and got my hair cut like Billy Idol, I got the attention I needed.
Now, people dress like that every day. It's harder to get that attention, so if you want that attention, you have to do something much bigger to get it.
Shoot a school. Blow up a building with an airplane.
It's a very wack version of the old "Adolescent Cry for Help."
That doesn't make it right, of cource. There should be other ways to get the help. But, when you're 15, everything is the most important, most emotional, most everything that's ever happened, and nobody has ever had it that bad before.
Alex