I am currently running a campaig on the borders of the federation, near the tholians.
But i'm interested in where exactly all borders are, i mean the klingon, romulan to tholian orion and flaxian. Could anyone help me please?
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I am currently running a campaig on the borders of the federation, near the tholians.
But i'm interested in where exactly all borders are, i mean the klingon, romulan to tholian orion and flaxian. Could anyone help me please?
Hmmm. You could be opening a can of worms here. Do you just want directions or over all sizes in light years?
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Originally posted by Mad Cow:
God, please, don't get HIM started again!
Seriously though what stats?
Aswell see very post/threads about Fan Consensus Maps or FCM in the Narrators section.
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Originally posted by Mad Cow:
God, please, don't get HIM started again!
Sure go to http://trekrpg.net/trek/core/galaxy1.gifQuote:
Originally posted by Palstra:
I am currently running a campaig on the borders of the federation, near the tholians.
But i'm interested in where exactly all borders are, i mean the klingon, romulan to tholian orion and flaxian. Could anyone help me please?
that might give you a glactic overview that's current with LUG
I place my Perseus Federation about 500 light years nadir of the tholians, and the Laald to spinward. the Romulans basically span Earth's sky from coreward to trailing, and the Klingons from there at least halfway to rimward. The Romulan border is probably about 100 light years from Earth, the Klingons beyond Rigel. Which brings me to the Orions. They don't have their own interstellar territory.They hang out within Fed space, around Rigel, Betelgeuse, Saif, the Orion Nebula, and elsewhere in the constellation. The Tholians may or may not share a border with the Klingons, but I'd say they're directly rimward in the Perseus arm. My best guess for the Flaxians would be somewhere between the Tholians and the Gorn.
Indeed!
Although never though of the Orions hanging out in all of the orion constellation.
Good call Cochrane!
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well, I believe my info originally came from the TOS core book.
Ok, I have a simpler picture of the Trek galaxy, mainly because all that coreward/spinward crap makes my head hurt.
Anyway, picture the UFP like a clock. You're looking down at the clock. I've pictured the Romulan border from roughly 11 to 2, the Klingon borders from 2 to 5ish, the Tholians and the Gorn roughly occupiying "bubbles" at 3 and 5 respectively. The Cardassians are from 5 to 7. 7 to 11 is unexplored at the moment, although I suspect the Tzenkethi are in there somewhere. The Breen are the rub-in the LUG game, they were placed roughly 10 to 11, and abutted Romulan space, but that doesn't seem to fit what DS9 has told us about them. The Klingons sent an invasion fleet against them, I find it hard to believe they crossed UFP/Romulan territory to do it. On the other hand, that could be why the fleet never returned. Personally, I put the Breen somewhere around 8.
Hope this makes sense and helps.
We've got this theory on another thread. Most of the Federation's rival empires draw nearer to eachother toward galactic north, or nadir (up in the third direction). For what its worth, I see the Cardies at 9 to 10 o'clock.
Cochrane, at least you understand what I'm saying. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif Most friends of mine look at me like I'm on crack.
Yeah, I think I saw the huge post about the borders a few weeks ago. Like I said, that core/rim/spin ward crap drives me nuts.
Possibly the only change I would make, is push the Craddies later to around 9-10ish.
And nadir is where everyone meets up.
And those big threads are probably because of me!
Maawaahaaa!
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Great. Then you owe me a bottle of aspirin.
I'm curious-you're the second one who's put the Cardies at 9 to 10. Why is that?
I based my info off the map in the DS9 Technical companion, with a little embellishments from memory from references from the show. Admittedly, I forgot the Ferengi (mainly becuase I've never pictured them as having a large "alliance" and I don't care for them anyways) but I'd have put them in a bubble around 7ish next to the Cardassians.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
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The political map fo the various races in this thread has bothered me for sometime now. Was it done before the Way of D'era set was released? Because using it, the Romulan set, as canon it states that the Romulan Star Empire spans both the Alpha And Beta quadrants. Also, it shows the the Federation as being much larger than the Romulan Empire. How can this be since the Romulan Empire has been conquering and expanding, almost constantly, for at least the last 1700 years, as listed in the Way of D'era, and the Federation was incorporated in only the last 193 years?! Assuming 2374 as current date.
Well admittedly I never really looked closely at the DS9 TM galactic map, you are mostly right.
The vague quadrant map from the encyclopedia puts the carddies around 10-11ish.
The DS9 one would put the Bajor region around 8:30+ while the bottom of carddie space would be around late 7-8ish.
But admittedly the DS9 map works better with the Battlemaps from DS9 with the curve of annexed space heading up toward Vulcan an Earth.
Breen would be around 10.
Tholians hopefully around 5-6ish
Gorn? If you take Cestus 3 as Gamma Ceti then around 7.
Keep in mind that these can vary widely depending on a large fed or a small on, or even a 'bubble' empire.
Oh and by the way, next time your in Australia, I'll buy you some aspirin! http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/wink.gif
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Agreed Verbena76. Annexing a piece of territory by force takes alot of time and material, but still in my mind 1700 years is still alot of time to expand compared to 193 years. If I may use a historical reference to describe a fictional situation...Look what the Romans in did just over 400 years by force of arms. But, like I said in a previous post, I'm biased.
In the Praetor's Name!
Well, since I've never been to Australia, and I don't expect to for a while, how 'bout you just mail it to me? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
I've never actually looked at the maps in the encyclopedia, I'll have to poke today. nothing better to do, lots of snow here and everything's shut down.
Anyway, I vaguley remember that the UFP has always been "bigger" than most of the individual empires around it. Admittedly, said empires prolly dop their best not to advertise that fact, so who knows?
Another thing that needs to be taken in to account is the method of expansion. The Romulans conquer. That takes time! The UFP takes applicants, which means that while the Romulan Empire can annex maybe two significant swaths of space a year, the Frderation, on a good year, can have 6 or more planets apply. And most of those planets will have colony worlds as well.
Anyway, my two cents.
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Big Fed/Little Fed?
The supposed 'canon' maps go big around 8-10000 ly.
Little which is supported by DS9 and is thus Canon, puts the Fed core worlds well within 200 ly dia. of Sol.
From extrapolations of the DS9 battle maps, I am going with Sol-Bajor at app. 160 ly (give or take a few), and am starting to draw maps based on this theory.
Unfortunely, LUG goes with the large Fed as seen by the RNZ map (rough 1000+ ly odd to the side).
As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!
Bare in mind that both the ency & DS9 TM galaxy maps are 'overly' large so we can see stuff. Now that the DS9 map is here and supported by the battlemaps, then I'd pretty much throw the encyl maps out as a vague representation.
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"As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!"
Not as stated... Picard's line is, "150 member worlds spread over 8000 light years." Earlier statements on explored space are 19%, later 25%, of the Galaxy.
As for the DS9 figures you quote, in what episode is this established? You quote it as canon. The only canon figures we have are that a Runabout with a maximum speed of WF 5 can do the run in about a week. Unfortunately, the warp factor formula has never been established as canon ("official," yes, but not "canon.") and is routinely ignored in the show.
Note that specifically I didn't mention canon with DS9 but these are the 'generally excepted' distances by various fans and/or info gleaned from the show. STDimension for instance, which backs up most of their data goes with these 'rough' distances.Quote:
Originally posted by Owen E Oulton:
"As for the canon statement of 8000 ly. Simply thats known/explored space!"
Not as stated... Picard's line is, "150 member worlds spread over 8000 light years." Earlier statements on explored space are 19%, later 25%, of the Galaxy.
As for the DS9 figures you quote, in what episode is this established? You quote it as canon. The only canon figures we have are that a Runabout with a maximum speed of WF 5 can do the run in about a week. Unfortunately, the warp factor formula has never been established as canon ("official," yes, but not "canon.") and is routinely ignored in the show.
Yes it could still be known/explored/(what the feds have territory in) space, just the feds have colonies/members on each end.
And if we could truly assume that at warp 5 from DS9 to Earth was about a week, then I wouldn't need to do all this work. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
The only 'accepted' distance (that of the DS9 TM) which arguablymay not be accepted has the fed innner defence perimeter/core worlds at 50.3 ly from DS9. A distance they state a ship at wp. 9.92 (I believe) does in 6 days!
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The battle maps are the Okuda-grams seen in various eps, specifically the big one in When It Rains? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gifS9 Seas 7.Quote:
Originally posted by verbena76:
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Where are these battlemaps everyone talks about, anyway?
One thing I think we need to keep in mind about the UFP is that while we use generic shapes (a la circles) to draw borders, The UFP is not one homogenous block that stretches to fill the circle. I picture it as a bunch of "bubbles" that sometimes overlap, each other, sometimes not. Each "bubble" is a member world and/or colonies. While the total area of the "cirlce" might be 8,000 ly, total area actually UFP affiliated might be much smaller.
And most people accept the 'bubble/swiss cheese model'.
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What the hell is Panadral? http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/biggrin.gif
Where are these battlemaps everyone talks about, anyway?
One thing I think we need to keep in mind about the UFP is that while we use generic shapes (a la circles) to draw borders, The UFP is not one homogenous block that stretches to fill the circle. I picture it as a bunch of "bubbles" that sometimes overlap, each other, sometimes not. Each "bubble" is a member world and/or colonies. While the total area of the "cirlce" might be 8,000 ly, total area actually UFP affiliated might be much smaller.
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