another char sheet (2 pages)

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05-17-2002, 08:19 AM
Roy Daniels

another char sheet (2 pages)

hi,

i propose to you a new character sheet in 2 pages. it design is exactly the same than Don's one. Sorry, but i like it, both in colors and B&W. so, I remade the same. i apologize to Don for the plagia, but you are named in the file's properties.

In the file, there is 2 sheets (so 4 pages). The 2 first pages are a form and are usable for the character creation. All the calculs are automatically made (modiefiers, reactions, totals...) and you can fill the traits, equipment, specials attributes fields and any supplementary skills you need.
the second sheet (page 3 and 4) is the printable version. In fact, I think that is not a good idea to have a sheet completely filled numerically, cause your character change with time and you don't want reprint the sheet after each advencement. so in the second sheet the constant fields are automatically filled, others not. But the form gives you the values, so you can write them with a pencil.
of course, you can print the first form, if you want (don't worry about the field's gray background, it is not printed)
last details: this sheet is in MSWord 97/2000 format and exist in two languages: English and French (Cause I'm French)

english version
French version

please, feel free to comment
05-17-2002, 08:51 AM
Calcoran

Hey RD, welcome to the boards!

About the sheet, it looks pretty good. Had it been me, I'd have asked Don before borrowing his lcars-like design, but I must say it is rather faithful to the original so I guess he'll be all right with that ;).
Actually, I have only one question: What the hell is this font you're using !?!
As a matter of fact it makes the sheet completely unreadable on my computer since I don't have the font (and as the form is locked, I can't try to change it to some other more suitable font), but other than that the sheet looks fine :D.
05-17-2002, 09:03 AM
Roy Daniels

Quote:

Originally posted by Calcoran
Hey RD, welcome to the boards!

thanks a lot

Quote:

Actually, I have only one question: What the hell is this font you're using !?!
As a matter of fact it makes the sheet completely unreadable on my computer since I don't have the font (and as the form is locked, I can't try to change it to some other more suitable font), but other than that the sheet looks fine :D.

the font is Swiss 911 Ucn BT, like in Don's sheet.
it can be found on the net.
I have a question too: when you say unreadable, are you include the graphic part (strenght, intellect...) or just the Skills list?
05-17-2002, 09:44 AM
Calcoran

I'm not sure ... some fields do not print well, and most titles come up all garbled. On top of this, the table's grid seems to expand at the end of page 2 over page 3. Looking for the font as I'm typing :).
05-17-2002, 09:51 AM
qerlin

Looks good to me, mon ami! Outstanding job.

Think I may take a crack at making it into a .pdf form, if you don't mind. Should actually have time to do stuff this weekend.
05-17-2002, 10:09 AM
Roy Daniels

Quote:

Originally posted by qerlin
Looks good to me, mon ami! Outstanding job.

Think I may take a crack at making it into a .pdf form, if you don't mind. Should actually have time to do stuff this weekend.

Make it so :)
but, it will be really difficult. I think you must rewrite all the form. I've tried to do it, but it seems impossible (to be really honest i don't spend a lot of time on that)
05-17-2002, 10:39 AM
Don Mappin

I’m not at all happy at having my work used without my permission, especially considering I’ve spent over 20 hours building that sheet and I’m not even finished yet. I suspect you spent considerably less time on yours.

I’d appreciate if you no longer use my sheet as the basis for yours, specifically the graphics and layout.

Thank you.
05-17-2002, 10:41 AM
Don Mappin

Quote:

Originally posted by qerlin
Think I may take a crack at making it into a .pdf form, if you don't mind.

It already is in a .pdf form and form-capable; just use mine.
05-17-2002, 10:52 AM
Roy Daniels

Don,

i completely recreate the graphics. I've just use your cheet as guideline.
i didn't use scan or pdf crack to get your graphics
as i sayed before, i used those graphics cause they are great. I cite you, both in the post and in the file properties and i consider that as an hommage to your work. as you can see, the this sheet is rather different of yours: the skills are not in the same place, for exemple.

If you really want, i can stop the diffusion, but i think it will be a pity. This is just another cheet.

about worktime, i spend much more than 20h on it, believe me.
recreate the graphics from 0, place the form, write the macros, put the texts references to have automatic copy of field and, finally traduction in french of all topics demands a lot of time.
05-17-2002, 11:00 AM
Calcoran

It's Sheet RD, not cheet ... I'm pretty sure "cheet" means something else ;). (sorry, couldn't help it)
05-17-2002, 11:01 AM
Roy Daniels

of course you right.
typing mistake...:)
05-17-2002, 11:08 AM
Roy Daniels

according to Don demand, I suspend the diffusion of the sheet until i remade the graphic part.:(
05-17-2002, 11:09 AM
Calcoran

Argh, Don's evil twin has taken over the sheet! (roll your mouse over the file under windows explorer and see for yourself) :cool:
05-17-2002, 11:36 AM
Don Mappin

Quote:

Originally posted by Roy Daniels
according to Don demand, I suspend the diffusion of the sheet until i remade the graphic part.:(

Don's request:

Quote:

I’d appreciate if you no longer use my sheet as the basis for yours, specifically the graphics and layout.

Thank you.

I never made any demands or threats; I made a polite request. While I realize that English may not be your native tongue, do not misrepresent the situation of you using my work without my permission and then coloring me as the bad guy.
05-17-2002, 11:52 AM
Roy Daniels

Quote:

Originally posted by Don Mappin
Don's request:
I never made any demands or threats; I made a polite request. While I realize that English may not be your native tongue, do not misrepresent the situation of you using my work without my permission and then coloring me as the bad guy.

That's definitively not my intention. I understant your position and accept it. and, you right, english is not my native tongue, so i apologize for the errors and mistakes in my posts.
05-17-2002, 02:30 PM
qerlin

Actually, Don, we're using your sheet. LIke it a lot. Was gonna use this as a stopgap until you get your second sheet done, dude.
05-17-2002, 03:46 PM
PogoOfGo

A question from Roy, in France -

Cool, so have you started a group for playing the ST RPG over there?

Darn us curious French students :D
-Pogo
05-17-2002, 06:00 PM
Dr. Jonas Bashir

Don, originally I used Patrick Murphy's sheet as the base for the Spanish versions of his sheets. I did the same Roy did, from scratch. I put an extensive disclaimer on the sheet saying mine was a modification, based on the original Patrick Murphy's work. Even though it was never to be distributed over the net! Could there be an arrangement of these sorts?

And, second, Don... they guy's obviously French and you go nitpicking his language. I know you recognize this in your post, but nevertheless your intention 'seems' harsh. As Roy's seemed 'harsh' to you. Remember, this is the 'net. How can you judge the actual attitude?

And, even when he made a possible copyright infraction, that doesn't allow you to disauthorize him so harshly. Or do it by email.

I understand your position but I'm somewhat appalled by your attitude, Don.

My 2 cents. :(

Sorry if anyone was offended.

BTW, demander in French means asking, making a petition. Direct translations are prone to these misunderstandings. :(
05-17-2002, 06:36 PM
Calcoran

Well ... on Don's behalf, it'd sure have been nicer from Roy if he had asked before (asking seems to be kind of traditional here, but maybe it isn't on other boards) ... somehow I was already cringing in anticipation when I first saw the sheet ;).
Frankly, I have never seen a satisfactory explanation as to why on internet everyone seems to misunderstand each other and always assume the worse from the other's statements ... anyway, what I was trying to say was that there was obviously no ill intention from neither side, so it'd be too bad to get all worked up about it. I mean, what with Roy being new to the boards and Don working as much as he does for our community ...

errr ... well, that's all ... all right, nothing to see here, don't you have anything else to do?

(trying to defuse a potentially explosive situtation)
05-17-2002, 06:44 PM
Calcoran

You're right about that one Dr., in English "demand" is much stronger ... something like:
Fr.demander = Eng.ask
Eng.demand = Fr.exiger
Strange how words evolve, isn't it?
05-17-2002, 08:09 PM
Dr. Jonas Bashir

Calcoran, Alliance Française Sixième Année was worth something at last! ;)
05-20-2002, 07:16 AM
Roy Daniels

CharSheet Back

hi,

The links of the first post are working again. I made a new original design for the sheets (as far as a LCARS based sheet could be "original"). The font used is always Swiss 911, but, this time, it's incorporated to the file. However, if you don't have it, you could not use the form, just print. The Swiss font is copyrighted, but foundable on the net. I'm looking for an other font with a similar design, but free. If someone have an idea...

Please, feel free to comment.
05-20-2002, 07:19 AM
Roy Daniels

to Calcoran

thanks a lot for you explanation of my mystake with the word "demand". In my mind, it wasn't so stronger.
05-20-2002, 07:24 AM
Roy Daniels

to PogoOfGo

I have a group to play ST RPG since the ICON system was available here, couple of years ago.

We not yet played with the CODA system, just translated the characters (Don's method works nice).
05-20-2002, 09:18 AM
sed

Roy,
I tried your link, but I couldn't download the sheet.
Do you have any idea why that would be?
If I'm just doing something stupid, perhaps you could e-mail it to me...

Thank you - I'm looking forward to seeing your work!

sedrotar@hotmail.com
05-20-2002, 11:10 AM
Don Mappin

WTF?

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Jonas Bashir
I understand your position but I'm somewhat appalled by your attitude, Don.

Whatever. Read the first page again. I was very polite and made consideration for English not being his native tongue.

I made no demands or petitions--I made a polite request which is a matter of public record on the first page. I never chastised him, threatened, or took any other actions. I left it entirely to him to do the right thing. Christ, he even misspelled my name when providing 'credit' for his clearly derivative work.

And I'm somehow the bad guy here? Sometimes you people amaze me. You really do.:confused:
05-20-2002, 12:26 PM
Roy Daniels

Quote:

Originally posted by sed
Roy,
I tried your link, but I couldn't download the sheet.
Do you have any idea why that would be?
If I'm just doing something stupid, perhaps you could e-mail it to me...

Thank you - I'm looking forward to seeing your work!

sedrotar@hotmail.com

Sed,

i have some problem with mail at home. the link should work now, but i can send it to you tuesday if you need.
05-20-2002, 09:25 PM
Dr. Jonas Bashir

Re: WTF?

Quote:

Originally posted by Don Mappin
WTF?

You see? That happens when you're not a native speaker. I had the meaning of 'appalled' completely changed.

As we agree in the core of the subject and differ in nuances, I apologize, Don. Sorry I offended you.