I give it a 10. This is going to be AWESOME!
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I give it a 10. This is going to be AWESOME!
I gave it an 8. It's a pretty good trailer.
I find it gives too much away, stunts-wise.
8 out of 10.
I am more excited about this than Indgestion...er...I mean Insurrection :)
Damned if I know! I can download Quick Time 5.2 (or whatever version I need) for some uknown reason.
I very much hope that there is more to the movie than to its trailer. The trailers for First Contact and Insurrection showed or hinted at characterization or ethical issues in those films' plots, but I see none of that in the Nemesis trailer...just action sequences. The seeming lack of any substance really turns me off. I give it a 4 ("hope springs eternal").
You forget that the persons in charge of Star Trek these days care more about appealing to the "average moviegoing audience" than they do to actual Trekkies. The ethical issues they at least tried to present in FC and Insurrection were probably denounced as "too intellectual" by Paramount.Quote:
Originally posted by Erik Filean
I very much hope that there is more to the movie than to its trailer. The trailers for First Contact and Insurrection showed or hinted at characterization or ethical issues in those films' plots, but I see none of that in the Nemesis trailer...just action sequences. The seeming lack of any substance really turns me off. I give it a 4 ("hope springs eternal").
I "forget" nothing of the kind, and the opinions you express here are not mine. Please don't put words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally posted by erhershman
You forget that the persons in charge of Star Trek these days care more about appealing to the "average moviegoing audience" than they do to actual Trekkies. The ethical issues they at least tried to present in FC and Insurrection were probably denounced as "too intellectual" by Paramount.
Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to imply anything, and I hope I haven't indavertantly started a flame war.Quote:
Originally posted by Erik Filean
I "forget" nothing of the kind, and the opinions you express here are not mine. Please don't put words in my mouth.
It's actually better than some of the full-length movies that bear the name Star Trek. Damn good graphics - action scenes - Worf making the same stupid one-liners (I really want for Picard to reply "No s***, Worf.").
Actually, it showed things I have always waited for Star Trek to do in a movie: ground scenes in a modified humvee, Data free-floating in space, and the Romulans (long over due, glad they waited for the Next Gen crew).
The real question, since just about every Trekker knows the plot, is: what they mean by "A Generations Final Journey Begins" ?
To paraphrase a friend of mine...
"I had 7 years of ethics and characters, I want some damn phaser fights!"
:)
In all seriousness, I can't handle another deeply moving ethical TNG movie. I know, I know, action is not everyone's cup of tea. I totally get that and understand it and do not for a moment think anyone who wants ethics and morality plays and character developement is wrong or stupid or anything negative.
(wow that was one run on sentance)
I just want to see a good old fashioned starship fight where one ship doesn't over gun the other. I guess I won't see it in this one either :(
Still it looks close to the script I read months ago and it seemed okay then.
Not great, but okay. Let's see what they do with the visuals. :)
However, seeing as how TWoK seems to keep coming top as Favourite Trek movie... I dont recall much in the way of Ethics there... Just a lot of action.
'A Generations Last Journey begins.'
hmmm. Yep, they should talk to their promotions people, as I have seen two interviews in magzines (Patrick Stewart and Rick Berman) both of which specifically do not rule out an 11th movie...
So this could already be incorrect...
and back to the; 'Best villain since Khan' statement that was bandied about a while back...
I cant see this. He seemed to have this whole Queen Amadala over-pronounciation thing going on... But didn't really catch me as a super-villain. Of course, they still have not learned.
Why was Khan the best villain? Because the audience had an attachment to the charactre from his appearance in Space Seed. They had the back-story filled out, rather than have to rush an explanation.
So by that measure, they need to do the same, either Kivas Fajo or Sela. Dammit. I want Sela!!! ;)
However, it does look good. Even if we are getting ANOTHER shuttle design...
I liked it quite a bit. It reminded me a lot of the Star Wars Episode II trailers (dark and dramatic).
You didn't. I was having a bad day, and I really don't care to be part of the personality-bashing approach to Trek fandom. But sorry for the snippy reaction.Quote:
Originally posted by erhershman
Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to imply anything, and I hope I haven't indavertantly started a flame war.
I have no objection to action, but I don't care to plunk down my money only to find out that the movie is a series of action set-pieces and effects sequences strung together by a flimsy thread of "plot" and a couple of throwaway references to the shows.Quote:
Originally posted by AslanC
To paraphrase a friend of mine...
"I had 7 years of ethics and characters, I want some damn phaser fights!"
:)
In all seriousness, I can't handle another deeply moving ethical TNG movie. I know, I know, action is not everyone's cup of tea. I totally get that and understand it and do not for a moment think anyone who wants ethics and morality plays and character developement is wrong or stupid or anything negative.
(wow that was one run on sentance)
I just want to see a good old fashioned starship fight where one ship doesn't over gun the other. I guess I won't see it in this one either :(
Still it looks close to the script I read months ago and it seemed okay then.
Not great, but okay. Let's see what they do with the visuals. :)
First Contact was heavy on action, but there was at least the matter of Picard's uncharacteristic vengefulness to give it something else.
Wrath of Khan was heavy on action, but it also had the best character writing of the TOS films and it really was the only one to make the crew's aging a plot element rather than a plot gimmick (or ignore it altogether).
This is only the trailer, but it has failed to really make me go "wow" as a prospective audience member. Maybe the only shot that did that was the first one, the CGI shot of the Senate district on Romulus--clearly done with reference to earlier matte paintings, but using the film budget and CGI effects to really make me think "hey, that's the Star Trek universe, and they made it look GOOD."
This trailer was interesting... but then again that's the first ST movie trailer I see :o
I watched the TOS movies on tape while I hadn't seen any TOS episode (hence missing a lot of the interest, especially for ST2). Insurrection is the only movie I watched in a theatre... and I knew little more about the movie than I had read in the synopsis.
Now I have the script of Nemesis on my hardrive (only partly read), I've seen and read interviews about it and now watched the trailer... and actually I think now that I prefer to watch a movie without knowing anything about it :p
Beside, Nemesis can't be bad since it's an even numbered movie ;) (although it's also the double of 5... :eek: ) !
But cool trailer anyway... is it me, or has the ENT-E model been improved ?
Well, looks like there's plenty of action. Not really looking forward to this one.
It looks CGI, instead of a filmed model.Quote:
Originally posted by C5
... is it me, or has the ENT-E model been improved ?
I thought it had always been a CGI (with the one of the trailer being more detailed) ?Quote:
Originally posted by Sawyer II
It looks CGI, instead of a filmed model.
Was Ent-D the last filmed model? Which did they use for Generations - model or cgi?Quote:
Originally posted by C5
I thought it had always been a CGI (with the one of the trailer being more detailed) ?
First Contact was model. They switched to CGI in Insurrection.
Both. Examples: the B in the Nexus was CGI. The D escaping the shockwave was CGI. The saucer crashing was a model.Quote:
Originally posted by Sawyer II
Was Ent-D the last filmed model? Which did they use for Generations - model or cgi?
Sela would have been good, and would have fitted perfectly into this movie's plot. Though I'm not really convinced Denise Crosby is up to playing a really good villian. But the character would certainly have had resonance with the audience.Quote:
Originally posted by Dan Gurden
So by that measure, they need to do the same, either Kivas Fajo or Sela. Dammit. I want Sela!!! ;)
Saul Rubinek, who played Kivas Fajo, would be though. But I don't think the audience would be as invested in his character, and I don't think Fajo would really work as a 'big' villian.
Hi all,
I ranted in the Romulans thread on Romulans and Nemesis.I will rant here as well:)
I understand peoples hesistation as frankly the next gen era films, barring First Contact have been confusing flops.
Before I go futher I will throw my views on the films out there to be judged, savaged, etc.
ST 1: Way Overated, with the main defence for its flaws being its the first film and the time it was made in. Great SCIENCE Fiction film with classic crew.
ST2: Great film, tying back to space seed, attempt at introduction of Kirk's family life. Full of tension and climatic confrontation between two ideals, two powerful individuals and two ships.
ST3: Confusing at times, beginning of big Screen popular antagonist race:Klingons, better like them because you will wait until 8 before they fully go away. Spock/different Saavik stuff interesting.
ST4: Fun film, with nice conservation message. No Klingons to be fair.
ST5: What the? Sybok? Center of Universe-God? -Bad Story badly directed.Face it Shatner, stick to ACTING, not directing, not name on book covers-not Tekwar TV series. ACTING.
ST6: Fantastic, tension throughout, humour in the right place and right amounts-good interplay-Valeris was a good character wasted-Could she be still in the New Zealand Prison Island in the next gen/DS 9 era:)? Decent Klingon politics-more insight into them as a race-finally one of the original core races gets good treatment.
ST7: I want my money back! A film that sets up an FX Dilemma-"The Nexus" -has a blah protaginist Soren, go out of his way to fire a missile that theatens a planet full of people we never see, which is all undone by the very fact the solution to his dilemma-"get into the nexus" is shown to us in the first five minutes of the film, by Kirk and others. This braniac "Al whoopian" who lives for this thing has not realised that people crash into the nexus and live happy la la lives.
Then to top of this insulting pile of waste, comes the Duras Sisters, good antagonoists established in the series with potential to go thoughout DS9, reduced to silly idiots flying around in some obsolete scout ship-attacking the Flagship of the Federation thanks to Geordi's Visor and Worf dropping the ball again as security officer-God damn what a plan! Its so dumb it wont work-Tasha come back! Q bring her Back!
The DURAS sisters, once split the Klingon Empire in half, were defeating Gowron had Romulan support-flying around in that? Times are tough you might say-My ass-They would have left in a cruiser......God How dumb, what a waste! So this film says by 80 years time the Klingon race has slid down hill, compared to ST6.
The Fabled Kirk/Picard encounter-artifically inserted in by execs to get the old classic fans to watch next gen......Nimoy backed away from this turkey-hint Execs-let good writers write-let bad storys die.
KIRKS DEATH? Huh...wha...The legendary captain of 3 TV seasons, 7 films gets to die on a dustbowl under some rubble fighting a never fully explained misguided supergenius who cant just fly his ship into the La La cloud. Oh yeah the ENT-D bit it.
I want my time and money back.
ST8: Good Film, Borg were very menacing, Great Picard moments.
Enterprise E good. once again Action, a good story-some good interplay-and some more revelation about some estalbished races in trek, Borg and in a minor way Vulcans.
ST9: Again pull a planet out of the blue, pull a race out of the blue and hope to hell Data hamming it up will smooth it over-the frustrating ignorance of DS9, having the federations premier flagship (Now a dedicated warship) shuttling ommpa loompas from planet to planet-while fed ships get gutted by the dominion, earth threatened-ho de hum-we can go to the planet of the new age retirement village-discover middle age ladies can freeze things and save cgi chipmunks in trees.
Oh not to mention the feds now have personel cloaking stealth suits "for cultural observation only" That would help say in their life or death struggle with the dominion whose soldiers shroud!
Oops sorry! Stretchy skin villians with massive warships without a planet that dwarf the other established warrior race's best ships are on the loose. Ok I'm sorry bring back the Klingons.......
ST10, Yet everyone is bagging Nemesis-sure we are twice bitten, twice shy, but hold on, most of us sat through these poop fests-yet now we are to good for it-A film that FINALLY gives the Romulans some attention, a core race -Yes we have a never seen before slave race serving the romulans-Shock! Yet, we buy the never heard of Nexus/Stetchy skin people?
Yes it has action, yes it has space combat-now its a exact copy of Wrath of Khan? Why stop there-Wrath of Kkhan was a merging and copy of Space Seed and Balance of Terror. I mean who chooses whats an original? I'm sorry but there is such a backlash against the teaser trailer-its scary. I have read the script-IF it is the final REAL script-if so it once again has some hammy Data comedy-yea its bad-so what...
Give it a go.
It's okay. I personally think the trailer gave away too much of the movie. They could have kept the face of the "nemesis" hidden or partly hidden.
I agree with Erik on many of his insights about this topic. Just because B&B tell you its gonna be good proves nothing. Where's this "Khan like" villain in the trailer? What the actor in the Romulan senate that doesn't have the ears by the looks of him and has a rather cliche sounding Transylvania accent? "At last the mighty Federation will fall before us," might as well be like "at last we come to suck your blood". Rolleyes and please tell me this is a FAKE trailer. "Don't fear?" it says in the trailer? I dunno bout that. Star Trek is infamous for recycling the same actors and when that gets old I suppose the studio can do the inverse of a mirror universe routine by having your lead actors cloned into baddies? Bah! They should have done that one in First Contact, Locutus!
The impression I got from the trailer is it seems like another Insurrection; "uknown" planet, prewarp civilization, NEW baddies, new ugly looking ships, Data and Picard out joy riding in shuttlecraft, Troi kissing....sigh. Sound familiar? Same b.s. maybe? We hardly saw any Romulans except maybe what two briefly? Where's the massive space battle thats supposed to blow our socks off? So far nothing in the trailer indicated anything that remotely looked like the First Contact battle. So I give it a five or six which may change and perhaps not for the better as we know more asides from rumours and "teaser trailers".
9 out of 10
by the way
the quality of the trailer doesn't matter
A Trek movie with Picard, Data, The Romulans can't be that bad
I gave it a 9!
Although the Scimitar doesn't look very Romulan other then the cloak.
To me it looks more like a cross between S'ona and Dominion tech maybe with a splash or Breen. Totaly not birdlike or smooth swept designs like other Romulan ships. Perhaps influenced by Reman tech/design philosophy?
On the plus side there a 2 maps of the RNZ which show a few details! :D
As Dan said, yet another shuttle type and this one carries a vehicle!!!
Hi Sir Sig
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Originally posted by SIR SIG
I gave it a 9!
Although the Scimitar doesn't look very Romulan other then the cloak.
To me it looks more like a cross between S'ona and Dominion tech maybe with a splash or Breen. Totaly not birdlike or smooth swept designs like other Romulan ships. Perhaps influenced by Reman tech/design philosophy?
On the plus side there a 2 maps of the RNZ which show a few details! :D
As Dan said, yet another shuttle type and this one carries a vehicle!!!
Yes from I saw of the high res stills taken from the teaser, The Scimitar looks very alien from the established Romulan ship designs. Its frustrating, given these Remans have lived for under Romulan rule for a possible 2000 years-you would think the influence would be more pronounced.
I hope not Breen influence-given the established antagonisism between Romulans and Breen.
Where are the 2 maps?
A lack of Romulan ship design influence is less irritating to me than the implication that either the Romulans allow their subjects to build battleships or the Remans were able to build one in secret without attracting any attention whatsoever from the Tal Shiar or the Romulan fleet.
I agree fully with you on that one, something as simple as have scene where a shady looking Romulan says to the coup romulans/remans "the Tal Shiar supports this" etc, Would go a long way to making the Reman coup more plausiable.Quote:
Originally posted by Erik Filean
A lack of Romulan ship design influence is less irritating to me than the implication that either the Romulans allow their subjects to build battleships or the Remans were able to build one in secret without attracting any attention whatsoever from the Tal Shiar or the Romulan fleet.
You hope the fact that at least some of the fleet supports Shizon would allow for the ship to be built. But given the script-its entirely feasble that the Scimitar was bulit during the Dominion War- with Romulan blessing.
Hard to say. I rated the trailer a "5". I don't care about the explosions or the effects, I want to see a good Trek story. Seeing yet another Lore/Data/Brent Spiner-lookalike thing doesn't really get me excited.
I'll probably see it as a matinee a few weeks after it comes out, once I've seen The Two Towers a handful of times.
What dou you think of the ST:Nemesis Trailer?
I give it a 10. This is going to be AWESOME!
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I give it a 9 it may indeed be AWESOME.....I'll have
to wait and see but looks very dark....That I like...:)