[Icon] Valore-Class Warbird

This is the new Romulan Warbird that premered in Nemesis, and helped the Enterprise-E fight against the Scimitar in the Breech

VALORE-Class Warbird
Class and Type: Valore-Class Bird-Of-Prey
Comissioning Date: ? (Gotta watch nemesis again ;))


Hull Characteristics:
Size: 9
Resistance: 6
Structural Points: 320

Operations Characteristics
Crew: ~800
[6 pwr/round]

Computers: 4
[4 pwr/round]

Transporters: 8
[12 pwr/round]

Tractor Beams: 1 fs, 1 fp, 1 as, 1 ap
[2/rating used]

Propultion and Power Characteristics
Warp System: 6.2/9.3/9.97
[2/warp factor]

Impulse System: .5 c/ .75c
[5/7 pwr/round]

Power: 200

Sensor Systems
Long-range Sensors: +2/22 light-years
[6 pwr/round]

Lateral Sensors: +3/1 light-year
[4 pwr/round]

Navigational Sensors: +4
[5 pwr/round]

Cloak: 12
[44 pwr/round]

Sensor Skill: 5

Weapon Systems
Type L Disruptor
Range: 12/31,000/101,000/301,000
Arc: fwd 360º, aft 180º
Accuracy: 3/4/6/9
Damage: 25
Power: [25]


Advanced Photon Torpedoes
Number: 256
Launchers: 1 fs, 1 fp, 1 av
Spread: 10
Arc: forward/aft (self-guided)
Range: 20/302,000/1,002,000/3,502,000
Accuracy: 3/4/5/9
Damage: 30
Power: [5]

Weapons Skill: 5

Defensive Systems
Romulan Advanced Deflector Systems
Protection: 90/100
Power: [80]

What do you think?

Where's the cloak?

Knew I forgot something :P

I think the size is wrong I go with 10 it looked a lot bigger than a Soveriegn

I'll take a look when I see the movie again this weekend... Thought it looked smaller.

You can see a image of the chart if you go to concept artwork included on the Nemesis communicator download from the official site-Its not useful for detail but gives you the idea.

If you play SFC3- There is an Nemesis add-on that lets you play the Scimitar-included in the 10 meg download is a folder of wallpapers it is the concept artwork for all the vehicles in Nemesis-There are 3 different size images of the scale chart.

There are links to the image which is popping up all over the place.

Nice artwork for the Valdore:)

Go to the Taldren website click on forums look under StarFleet Command general discussion.


In Star Trek Communicator issue 141

Page 52 Is the FX companies size comparison Chart for the Ships in Nemesis.

The Valdore is

604.5 Meters long

908.3 Meters wide

Hope that helps

The Official Site mistakenly gives the D'Deridex Class Warbird stats listed under "Romulan Weaponry" to a picture of the Valdore. As you can see by its size this vessel is roughly half the length of the D'Deridex Warbird.

My take: I felt that this was a more reasonable fit considering the stats for ships- even the proposed and advanced ships- listed in the Way of D'erara. Also, there were some errors. According to the core book, the structural points equals the sizeX20, and the power to raise a shield is equal to its protection.

Hull Characteristics:
Size: 9
Resistance: 4
Structural Points: 180

Operations Characteristics
Crew: ~800 [6 pwr/round]
Computers: 4 [4 pwr/round]
Transporters: 8 [12 pwr/round]
Tractor Beams: 1 fs, 1 fp, 1 as, 1 ap
[2/rating used]

Propultion and Power Characteristics
Warp System: 6.0/8.5/9.7 [2/warp factor]
Impulse System: .6 c/ .85c [5/7 pwr/round]
Power: 200

Sensor Systems
Long-range Sensors: +2/14 light-years
[6 pwr/round]
Lateral Sensors: +2/1 light-year
[4 pwr/round]
Navigational Sensors: +2
[5 pwr/round]
Cloak: 10 [40 pwr/round]
Sensor Skill: 5

Weapon Systems
Type L Disruptor
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Arc: fwd 360º, aft 180º
Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
Damage: 24
Power: [24]

Advanced Photon Torpedoes
Number: 256
Launchers: 1 fs, 1 fp, 1 av
Spread: 10
Arc: forward/aft (self-guided)
Range: 15/300,000/1,000,000/3,500,000
Accuracy: 3/5/7/10
Damage: 20
Power: [5]

Weapons Skill: 5

Defensive Systems
Romulan Deflector Shield
Protection: 72/96
Power: [72]

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Only problem is that as seen on film, either due to bad tactical use of the vessels, or something else we didn't see . . . these new Larger Warbirds did very little damage to the OPFOR and furthermore was able to withstand less damage then the Enterprise. Possible design flaw? Or were these taken from a spacedock of sorts, while under repair or retrofit, and used in this emergency situation. As it is that we have never seen these vessels used in front line actions before, or on screen for that matter.

I took the Valore's quick departure from the field based on Shizon's knowledge of Romulan tactics and starship design.

He knew where they were weak, and where to hit them.

Like Odo taking out the Jem'Hadar bug with a runabout.

Because they were fighting someone who could fire while cloaked, my assumption was that skill counted for more than technology. More so than usual in this case. And while I am sure the Romulans were valiant and skilled, if the Enterprise crew had a slight edge it could make a big difference.

OR, perhaps Shinzon wanted to save Picard for last to savor the moment so he concentrated the early fire on the Romulans.

OR, Shinzon being a good tactitian knew it made good sense to concentrate fire on one ship to take it out quick so it wouldn't be contributing fire for as long... that is to say, better for the second half of the battle to be against one relatively undamaged ship than against two ships with shields at 50%.

Shizon wanted Picard alive as well.

No need to hold back on the warbirds.

Sigh.

Sometimes the obvious takes awhile to sneak in the door.

The Valdore seen in Nemesis is of the Norexan class.

from where do you know??

From General Velal:



"The Norexans Official Dimensions

In Star Trek Communicator issue 141

Page 52 Is the FX companies size comparison Chart for the Ships in Nemesis.

The Valdore is

604.5 Meters long

908.3 Meters wide

Hope that helps

The Official Site mistakenly gives the D'Deridex Class Warbird stats listed under "Romulan Weaponry" to a picture of the Valdore. As you can see by its size this vessel is roughly half the length of the D'Deridex Warbird."

Hi All,

I think I should clarify "Norexan Class". It is NOT from the Nemesis Website.

It comes from Deciphers Star Trek Customisable Card Game-2nd edition. The "Valdore" card.

Since the card game goes beyond the info seen in the movies/TV series for background information-new ships etc. They had established a liason with Paramount-during the 1st edition of the Game-The new information was "Approved" as "Canon". NOW
I know this opens up a can of worms on what is "Canon" etc.

Given the fact that on a RPG site we adapt to information created for the game- This designations source holds tight-in the fact there is nothing else coming forth on this vessel at the moment.

Sadly due to the films performance I cannot see volumes of Tech data coming our way. This also leads to a question I had when I heard Decipher got hold of the RPG rights. Will they use the same established information-like for example-"Goraxus" is the name for Commander Selas Warbird-

I apoloigze for not cleary seperating the Valdores dimensions from the class designation. The Dimensions are FACT.

Any chance of a Spacedock conversion?

Well, I have found other sources that state that the Valdore is actually 1,280 meters long. A size 11 class vessel I believe.

The best source is Star Trek: The Magazine, page 71.

One thing to remember though size and scale issues are always iffy at best when dealing with Star Trek

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Originally posted by Gul J'Rel
Well, I have found other sources that state that the Valdore is actually 1,280 meters long. A size 11 class vessel I believe.

The best source is Star Trek: The Magazine, page 71.

One thing to remember though size and scale issues are always iffy at best when dealing with Star Trek

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What?! That sounds very close to the D'Deridex Class Warbirds Length-That just does not tally with what it is on screen. The official Visual FX Chart of the 3 Nemesis vessels Scales is available all over the place on the net. I do agree that on the whole scale and Star Trek Ships are problematic-but in this case the facts are there.

decipher's star trek ccg cards do not establish any canon. paramount simply approved names they picked for cards which needed information. this is done in first edition and second edition cards. it is nice they filled in some information, but we know it's not canon at all. in fact, they have said it was not canon. some information on the cards are inside jokes, etc. you name it.

Simple, the enterprise is wanted capture, but not the norexans, remember what Shinzon said "target their engines and shields ,i dont want the enterprise destroyed". So the Scimitar's weapons was on minimal power,since Disruptors or not as good as phaser for disabling a ship, disruptors are known for they Raw Power, thus providing more firepower for same type of class vs Phaser.
We could clearly see, that the Scimitar never fired a full volley of disruptors or photons on the enterprise by comparaison for the Norexan who sustained approximatly 15 disruptors blast at point blank range and at full power on a same spot,thus destroying the Norexan's wing, and for the valdore its about the same but with Photon torpedoes,again at point blank range on almost the same spot... disabling her.

nb: Sinzon clearly stated" i can clearly destroy you(Enterprise-E) anytime"

At the end the enterprise is wanted captured, the norexans destroyed for turning their back on Shinzon's loyalty.

so if we sit back, and analyse the situation, by simply look in the movie we cant conclude that the enterprise can sustained more or less than the Norexan, because of differences that i mentioned above. Only with official books or information about capabilities on the Norexan than we will be in better posture to determine if yes or no the Sovereign is Better overall.