Nemesis available 5/20 -- worth the price?

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03-19-2003, 10:32 AM
Balok

Nemesis available 5/20 -- worth the price?

Paramount has set the MSRP of Star Trek: Nemesis at $29.99. Amazon is around $22.50, and buy.com comes in a dollar or so lower than that. It's unclear what prices places like Wal-Mart may charge. However, it's worth remembering that Star Wars II, a movie I consider to be better than Nemesis (which isn't a huge complement) was available at Wal-Mart for around $13 when it first appeared.

Nemesis comes with "four exclusive commentaries", plus the usual (for a DVD): deleted scenes and a photo gallary.

What price do you think it's worth?
03-19-2003, 10:42 AM
Hugh Casey

I never even went to see it in the theater... Sorry, but I really just found everything that I'd heard or seen about the film to be... boring.

But I do have a downloaded copy on the 'puter. (Copyright piracy!? ME!? Nooooooooooo! ;) ) I've only watched the first 10 minutes or so, and it seems... eh. That's all, just... eh. Maybe I'll feel different after I see the whole thing.

And the copy I have is crappy, so if I do like it, I will probably buy the DVD.

Just my twin coppers...

H.
03-19-2003, 10:49 AM
C5

FYI, Hugh, I was appalled by the first 20 minutes of the movie, then I found what followed much better. Not a stellar movie, but still nice. Then again I'm one of those strange beings who loves Enterprise...

As for the price, hey... seems to me Paramount knows the meaning of the word "to milk a cash cow"... :rolleyes:
03-19-2003, 10:52 AM
Liz Not Beth

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03-19-2003, 11:15 AM
WarriorKnight

according to The SciFi channel new letter their adding 45 minutes of deleted footage.
"The scenes include one between Data and Jean-Luc Picard, in which they share a bottle of 2267 Chateau Picard champagne; an early scene of Shinzon; one between Worf and Picard in the observation lounge; one with Deanna Troi and Picard in a corridor; a second scene of "mental rape" of Troi in a turbolift; a sickbay scene with Picard and Dr. Beverly Crusher; and the original ending of the film, featuring the new first officer, Cmdr. Madden."
The one I want to see is the one w/ Cmdr Madden,if it's like the book version.Very funny
03-19-2003, 12:12 PM
pathstrider

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The one I want to see is the one w/ Cmdr Madden,if it's like the book version.Very funny

I don't. Frickin' seatbelts. What's the point of it being science Fiction when we just have today's tech? :mad:

Mark
03-19-2003, 03:54 PM
Sea Tyger

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Originally posted by pathstrider
I don't. Frickin' seatbelts. What's the point of it being science Fiction when we just have today's tech? :mad:

Okay, remember that just because there might be a more technological way of doing things, it's not necessarily better.

So, even though Trek has force fields and duranium plating to minimize damage, and inertial dampers to limit how much the crew gets thrown around...some good old-fashioned seat belts (or other type of simple restraints, like the folding chair arms from TMP and ST II) may keep a couple more crewmen in their chairs.

Now, as for me, I'll be getting it as soon as its available, $29.95 or not. :)
03-19-2003, 04:53 PM
Novalar

Personally, apart from a few glaring issues, Nemesis was fun. Looked better on the big screen. I will buy the DVD for all the extra scenes that were cut. And I know a lot of people that like Enterprise (last couple of eps have been better) but they do need a direction with the show. I still like Enterprise. DS9 and Voyager were not great in their first two seasons either...
03-19-2003, 05:23 PM
pathstrider

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Okay, remember that just because there might be a more technological way of doing things, it's not necessarily better.

Granted, but it's just so.... un cool. To me.

And it just seems that since the start of the TNG, when the simplest solution (To us) wasn't the one that got used (I mean, a ship that can't even support it's own weight unpowered, yikes) its been geting more and more ... well, clunkier.

I just think that while it confirms more to real world thinking, it doesn't seem as internally consistent.

but I'd like to point out that's just me ;)

And I think Nemesis had a few too many props that looked like tehy should have been in enteprise - like the Argo for example.

Having said that, the new tricorders are cool :D - so I'm not consitent. oh well...

I just get the same feeling when I hear seatbelts to that when I saw that joystick in insurection.... I cringed so far into my seat I nearly fell through it. And hey, I loved that film....

anyway.

later days!

Mark
03-19-2003, 06:04 PM
erhershman

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Originally posted by C5
FYI, Hugh, I was appalled by the first 20 minutes of the movie, then I found what followed much better. Not a stellar movie, but still nice. Then again I'm one of those strange beings who loves Enterprise...

As for the price, hey... seems to me Paramount knows the meaning of the word "to milk a cash cow"... :rolleyes:

I'm another one of those "strange beings..." :D
I'd pay the $29.99, but not much more.
03-19-2003, 06:29 PM
Phantom

I want my original two hours back. So, I say "won't buy it for any price."
03-19-2003, 07:03 PM
Liz Not Beth

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03-19-2003, 07:12 PM
qerlin

I'll wait a few days. This one'll show up on the discount rack at Hastings in a few weeks. I'd pay 9 or 10 bucks, max; more than I would for Generations (oooh....what a turkey that was.)
03-19-2003, 07:17 PM
Lt Cmdr Matt

Since I am definitely in the minority. Enterprise and Voyager and now Nemisis Lover, I will definitely pay the 29.99 if I had to but I always look for a good deal :D
03-19-2003, 10:02 PM
Sho-sa Kurita

Not really a big fan. I'll probably get it anyway' at Walmart 'cuz I like FX -- the new Romulan ships rocked. It's rare you actually get a good 2 hour film when the first cut is over 3 hours, which also means the script wasn't really properly pared either.

-- Daniel
03-19-2003, 10:17 PM
Ineti

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Originally posted by Novalar
DS9 and Voyager were not great in their first two seasons either...

Blasphemy! DS9's first two season brought such standouts as "Emissary," "Duet," "In the Hands of the Prophets," "The Homecoming," "The Circle," "The Siege," "Necessary Evil," "The Wire," "Crossover," and "The Jem'Hadar."

Every one a solid, good hour of TV. If ENT had had even one show at the caliber of any of these, I'd still be watching. :)

(Note that I am not the most objective of Trek fans.) ;)

Staying on topic, I've heard many folks say that the deleted scenes make Nemesis a 'better movie.' So basically you're telling me to spend $30 on a flawed movie?

I'll wait, thanks. :) Two weeks after the release of NEM on DVD is the release of DS9 season 3 on DVD, and that's something I'll save my money for.
03-20-2003, 05:32 AM
pathstrider

Hmm.... I seemed to have given the wrong impression.

I liked Nemesis - though I think it would have been better if the other three films had never been - it was just too similar to elements of the others.

I loved the space battle (Especially where the Enterpise is yanked out of warp), the FX (First time Warp drive shots have felt like they're going anywhere) and the acting on the point of Shinzon (Ok, dodgy in places but very good in others to make up for it)

I just could do without that last scene :D

Mark
03-21-2003, 07:44 PM
Ezri's Toy

Just 'cuz its high tech. . . .

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Originally posted by Sea Tyger
Okay, remember that just because there might be a more technological way of doing things, it's not necessarily better.

Right. The United States space program spent over $100,000 to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity.

The Russians spent $1 and brought a box of pencils.
03-23-2003, 01:30 AM
ShawnM011

Re: Just 'cuz its high tech. . . .

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Originally posted by Ezri's Toy
Right. The United States space program spent over $100,000 to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity.

The Russians spent $1 and brought a box of pencils.

That is an urban legend NASA did not develop the space pen it was a private company who fully paid for the development.

The Write Stuff
03-23-2003, 01:08 PM
Gabriel

I used to be a Trek nut.

Generations let me know something rotten was afoot. I didn't think it was a good movie, but I still saw it in the theater the first day and purchased the VHS tape when it was available.

First Contact amazed me with how horrible it was. For me, it easily beat out The Voyage Home and The Final Frontier as the worst Trek movie of all time. I nearly walked out of the theater because of how crappy it was. Even still, my fandom convinced me to purchase a used VHS copy for the Borg battle scene at the beginning.

Insurrection lured me back to the theater with a promising concept. I paid for a matinee and totally wasted my money and 2 hours of my life. While it wasn't as bad as First Contact, it certainly wasn't in any way good. When it was released on home video, I definitely skipped on it. It never has and never will exist in my home video collection.

I didn't bother going to see Nemesis. I won't bother purchasing or renting the DVD. I've been lured in to see 3 crappy movies because of the Star Trek name. I will not be fooled a fourth time.
Star Trek is dead. I wish they'd quit anally raping the rotten corpse.
03-24-2003, 03:30 AM
C5

Sorry for the off topic, but could you expand a bit on what did you find so horrible in these movies, Gabriel ? I'm a bit curious to know, as First Contact and The Voyage Home are my two favorites movies, while Insurrection disappointed me a great deal.
03-24-2003, 01:00 PM
WarriorKnight

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Originally posted by pathstrider
I don't. Frickin' seatbelts. What's the point of it being science Fiction when we just have today's tech? :mad:

Mark

Nah , I want ta see how close the final scene is compared to the book version. Madden owes Riker some pay back,for Riker's little joke.