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Hi again
Going on with my reading of the DS9 core book, i have seen they briefly talk about armors but do not list typical armors like they do weapons.
Is there anyplace I might find a list of armor (preferably for free) to equip my starting players with ?
Thanks in advance,
Moah, full time turnip.
[This message has been edited by Moah (edited 01-23-2001).]
I got the following from an e-mail list, but I can't find the author to credit him. Hope this helps. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
ARMOUR:
KLINGON:
All Klingon Warriors wear their armour proudly, and most Klingons are
warriors. Klingon Armour is rough and ready, designed from heavy leathers
and metallic plates. Klingon armour offers +2 Armour value verses hand to
hand and melee attacks and +1 Armour verses energy weapons.
If using optional location hit areas, Klingon armour covers the Torso,
Forearms and Lower leg/Feet.
CARDASSIAN:
The Military forces of the Cardassian Union wear a hardened plate style of
armour, while only slightly restrictive of movement this Armour offers a
universal +2 Armour protection against both close combat and Energy weapons.
Cardassian Armour covers the Torso only.
FEDERATION:
Armour is fairly sparse within Starfleet, as a less militant organisation
than other space fleets in the quadrants, they only issue armour to their
'Rapid Response' ground forces...
The armour consists of a thick padded suit designed to absorb and dissipate
damage than anything else, these heavy jacket cover the wearers arms and
torso, down to the groin. The armour will provide +1 armour against Energy
attacks only. The Federation however is also keen to use Force-field
technology for personal protection, and several devices exist to help keep
Federation and Starfleet personnel alive in combat situations.
(The Rapid Response padded armour can be seen in the episodes; 'Nor the
battle to the strong', and 'The seige of AR-558')
ROMULAN:
The members of the Romulan Star Navy all wear a similar style of armour to
that of the Federation Rapid response forces. However longer experience has
taught them much in reducing the weight and the bulk of such a garment and
the inclusion of a metallic weave allows the armour to offer equal protection
verses close combat damage as well as Energy attacks, namely +1 point of
armour.
OTHER TECHNOLOGY:
MEDICAL HEADS UP DISPLAY
Size: 10cm x 15cm x 0.5cm
Mass: 0.1kg
Duration: 100 hours + induction charging
This headpiece is usually worn by the doctor while treating an unfamiliar
patient or species. The small monocle functions as a voice activated PADD
enabling the doctor to access appropriate medical files and library files
while making diagnosis or prescribing treatment, it is also linked to the
sickbay scanners allowing direct up the minute patient data available, making
these results visible via HUD. Use of this device allows instantaneous
treatment of a patient to occur while still allowing a medical practitioner
to access and view any relevant databases or scanner results, adding a +2
bonus when treating any species that has been recorded within the Federation
medical database.
STARFLEET DIVING SUIT
When operating in an aquatic environment Starfleet officers have the
availability of full face masks allowing total interaction with their
environment, however it has been found that extended operation in an
underwater enviroment can be made easier when the officer concerned is
wearing an outfit designed specifically for underwater use instead of
Starfleet Uniform. The standard outfit is a form fitting Drysuit, which
will keep the wearer completely dry beneath. This suit is insulated and
fitted with equipment loops, allowing said officer to fulfill his function
without any difficulties with little consideration of depth within the human
norm. As visibility is also a consideration, the design of the drysuit has
gone back to the older style of Starfleet uniforms from the 2360's, With
black leg and shoulders and the wearers designated branch of service visible
on the torso and arm area...
Loops are pre-fitted for diving and Starfleet equipment, such as Tricorder,
Phaser, and Divers knife.
(Note: This is a piece of equipment that I plan to introduce in an aquatic
adventure I plan on running near the beginning of the Dominion war, and is
designed in conjunction with the face mask as featured in the TNG Player
Guide.)
[This message has been edited by Sevekk (edited 01-23-2001).]
Would a Phaser work underwater? I mean the device itself can be waterproofed, but would the beam be able to cut through the water? Never thought about it....
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TK
Thanks Sevekk, that would be mostly my work. The Klingon armour is mentioned and described in the TNG rulebook, and the Cardassian, Federation and Romulan Armours are based off that example.
So the Klingon Armour is LUG canon.
As for the phaser being used underwater it depends on the power of plot for individual narrators. In other words, its up to you, simply add a dive knife if it doesn't...
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Dan.
"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"
Would a phaser work underwater? Probably...but for limited range. Water tends to refract light pretty quickly...but as Dan just said, it's up to you.
...not to mention the fact that using a beam of concentrated energy underwater would rather quickly raise the local ambient temperature...life could get rather uncomfortable for the firer of said weapon, especially if done repeatedly...
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"Just think of it - a blind man, teaching an android how to paint? That's gotta be worth a couple of pages in somebody's book." - Riker to La Forge.
You forgot to read the description that the suit was insulated, which was one of the consideations (for 1 or 2 shots at least...)Quote:
Originally posted by Paul:
...not to mention the fact that using a beam of concentrated energy underwater would rather quickly raise the local ambient temperature...life could get rather uncomfortable for the firer of said weapon, especially if done repeatedly...
um... errr... That was in the original design as an addition to really deep dive capability.
Honest.
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Dan.
"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"
The RR&R icon link(when its set up)has boarding suit armor with a 6 armour value. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
Well good work, and now I know the source.Quote:
Originally posted by Dan Gurden:
Thanks Sevekk, that would be mostly my work.
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I have found two types of Starfleet armor. Security Armor created by Micheal Wolf. +8 Physical attacks and +8 Energy attacks. It only covers the torso. The other I've found is Starfleet Marine type sierra four combat armor created by Bradly Clark. +6 physical attacks and +6 to energy attacks. It can also do a lot more then I would want to list here. You can find the information at
http:/home.austin.rr.com/jdominion/marines/armor/sierra4.htm
As to the question about phasers underwater, if I remember my physics lessons from school *shudder*....if the phaser were to behave similarly to other light based energy weapons, i.e. lasers, and it could be made into a green colour, then it would penetrate through water quite easily.......I think http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
IMHO I would have to say the discussion of armour in ST universe mote. The only armour that my group sees in ST game is the set used by Klingons, since there fighting tactics is different to the other governments (ie the prominent use of knives and other bladed weapons). When you have sidearms that can blast a hole the size of a Buick in a rock face, personal body armour is not going to do a person any good. Your character gets hit by a weapon set on heavy disrupt he is six pints of fine red mist, I don't care what armour he is wearing.
Phasers DO NOT behave like lasers.
They produce a focused stream of Nadion particles.
Some subscribe to the theory that the beam does not even travel fully at c; and it clearly contains some kind of kinetic component.
If a phaser strikes a mirror, it would likely destroy it, not reflect the beam.
Robert
But if the same beam strikes a close by rock, armor can protect you from fragments. Same for grenade-fragments, flying parts of a ship etc.Quote:
Originally posted by Phantom:
IMHO I would have to say the discussion of armour in ST universe mote. The only armour that my group sees in ST game is the set used by Klingons, since there fighting tactics is different to the other governments (ie the prominent use of knives and other bladed weapons). When you have sidearms that can blast a hole the size of a Buick in a rock face, personal body armour is not going to do a person any good. Your character gets hit by a weapon set on heavy disrupt he is six pints of fine red mist, I don't care what armour he is wearing.
It's like a modern day flak jacket or helmet. No chance it will stop a decent bullet like 7.62N (unless you add plates and make it stuffy/heavy) but it does nice with shrapnell and ricochets. And that is what it's used for.
Also we see them only once (Cestus III) StafFleet has Photon mortars. And the Jemmis are using mines. So armor makes sense in certain situations.
Michael
Your point is taken Micheal.
I suggest that armour sholud only effect damage from concussion, shrapnel, bladed weapons, etc. Not energy weapons. That's all I'm trying to say.
Scott
Why not? If I was a 23rd century designer working on body armour for Starfleet, I'd layer the stuff with waveguides for a force field, or some sort of energy shunt to bleed off weapons fire into the ground, or something of the like.
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Originally posted by Beau:
I have found two types of Starfleet armor. Security Armor created by Micheal Wolf. +8 Physical attacks and +8 Energy attacks. It only covers the torso. The other I've found is Starfleet Marine type sierra four combat armor created by Bradly Clark. +6 physical attacks and +6 to energy attacks. It can also do a lot more then I would want to list here. You can find the information at
http:/home.austin.rr.com/jdominion/marines/armor/sierra4.htm
Ouch!!! you know that sounds to me WAY overbalanced for LUGtrek.. what's the guy doing? walking around with a Sovereign's shield generator on his back?
As for how Armor works I imagine it has some sort of energy sink that absorbs blasts.. as well as give physical properties..
Well those armors are also specifically for ground troops and combat use. It's like the difference between a policeman's bullet proof vest and the Ranger Body Armor I wore in Bosnia or some of the new types coming into military service. Basicly their protective qualities are an order of magnitude greater.Quote:
Originally posted by Arithon:
Ouch!!! you know that sounds to me WAY overbalanced for LUGtrek.. what's the guy doing? walking around with a Sovereign's shield generator on his back?
As for how Armor works I imagine it has some sort of energy sink that absorbs blasts.. as well as give physical properties..
Easy enough as a game master to keep them out of your setting if you are not running a military-type campaign. But if you want to run a game in the Dominion War or other conflict then it's worth a look. There are a few of us on Yahoo Groups doing just that, seriously examining the nature of ground combat in the Trek setting and all the various inplications and adjustments.
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"Win the Mind, Win the Day"
yes and when i been in Lebanon, i haved two armor: one light blue (standart duty) one heavy cam(hazard duty). And you now, when you have an accident with armor : you are broken inside and the armor was nothing
for startrek, you can see security armor in st:III.
i dont no if it protect against a phaser'bast
but i sure is a good protection against all physical damage
True I can understand that, but consider this: the Klingons, Andorians, and Cardassians all come for a Militaristic Race. I find it hard to believe that StarFleet would be able to produce Armor superior to what these races can. particularly +6 or +8 whereas the others have +2 That's where I'm protesting the armor..Quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Keyes:
Well those armors are also specifically for ground troops and combat use. It's like the difference between a policeman's bullet proof vest and the Ranger Body Armor I wore in Bosnia or some of the new types coming into military service. Basicly their protective qualities are an order of magnitude greater.
Easy enough as a game master to keep them out of your setting if you are not running a military-type campaign. But if you want to run a game in the Dominion War or other conflict then it's worth a look. There are a few of us on Yahoo Groups doing just that, seriously examining the nature of ground combat in the Trek setting and all the various inplications and adjustments.
Well frankly the writers in Trek canon are ignorant of military matters and developmental trends. Now this is not an issue for most campaigns which play similar to TNG or Voyager. But myself and a few others have gone the route to ask the questions of "how do battles get fought and what would be developed for it?".Quote:
Originally posted by Arithon:
True I can understand that, but consider this: the Klingons, Andorians, and Cardassians all come for a Militaristic Race. I find it hard to believe that StarFleet would be able to produce Armor superior to what these races can. particularly +6 or +8 whereas the others have +2 That's where I'm protesting the armor..
If it doesn't fit your image of Trek then don't use it. But there are others that want to proceed along other lines and do away with the "plot device" science and effects (ie., the oh so powerful phaser still seems to be stymied by crates, rocks, and barrels used for cover when if it was as powerful as canon-watchers would declare then those that use that cover should have become screaming torches as the cover is converted to plasma). In the end, Your Mileage May Vary.
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"Win the Mind, Win the Day"
As for phasers (and disruptors and whatever) being stopped by crates, consider that Starfleet characters tend to run around with weapons on stun settings. If it is not going to burn a person, it's not going to hurt anything except explosives.
Even for nasty characters, who might mave no compunctions about using setting 16 on somebody, they will want to conserve ammo. Theres no sense in blowing up a mountain just to kill one guy. You can probably get a thousand shots on stun for each setting 16 blast.
They may also be interested in not destroying their own equipment (and/or cover for when they advance), or shooting holes in the hull, and letting all the air out.
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In regards to armor, I suppose you could say that Starfleet seems more intent on defence (at the expense of offence, even) than, say the Klingons. (ie "it's a good day to die!")
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No, I was taking this into account. There are enough instances onscreen of battles where folks are (supposed to be) going for blood to punch Borg Cube-sized holes in canon. Even the lower thermal and disrupt settings should punch holes through the scenery and such wonderful effects as molten fragments and thermal bloom off cover that they strike. One can also make a strong argument that the reason we see the plot device vaporization is the fact that Trek's producers are either squemish over showing physical effects of damage and/or don't want to go through the extra effort to deal with truly wounded individuals. Much neater in production to "erase" the character then have to deal with wounding and trauma. But this digresses as this is the Questions & Mechanics forum. I am the one working on body armors for a Trek Ground Forces project so I may share some notes here in a week or so.Quote:
Originally posted by suicide junkie:
As for phasers (and disruptors and whatever) being stopped by crates, consider that Starfleet characters tend to run around with weapons on stun settings. If it is not going to burn a person, it's not going to hurt anything except explosives.
Even for nasty characters, who might mave no compunctions about using setting 16 on somebody, they will want to conserve ammo. Theres no sense in blowing up a mountain just to kill one guy. You can probably get a thousand shots on stun for each setting 16 blast.
They may also be interested in not destroying their own equipment (and/or cover for when they advance), or shooting holes in the hull, and letting all the air out.
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In regards to armor, I suppose you could say that Starfleet seems more intent on defence (at the expense of offence, even) than, say the Klingons. (ie "it's a good day to die!")
[This message has been edited by suicide junkie (edited 02-20-2001).]
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"Win the Mind, Win the Day"
[This message has been edited by Morgan Keyes (edited 02-21-2001).]
2377: Rapid Response Team engineers have developed what they call a Hostile Environment Suit. It is a fully enclosed powered suit of armour, equipped with a force field generator, transport inhibitor, and combat data HUD. Primarily designed to give Federation troops an advantage against Jem'Hadaar opponents, it was not completed before the end of the Dominion war, but was field tested in a later conflict with the Dorho Regime (non-canon). It makes +8 armour look like tissue paper. It gives you all the setting 18 firepower you need as long as the microfusion reactor holds, and one armour in the squad packs a photon mortar. My character was in charge of the RRT's technical evaluation squad for these fabulous devices.Quote:
Originally posted by Arithon:
Ouch!!! you know that sounds to me WAY overbalanced for LUGtrek.. what's the guy doing? walking around with a Sovereign's shield generator on his back?
As for how Armor works I imagine it has some sort of energy sink that absorbs blasts.. as well as give physical properties..
But our GM (who, I think, frequents this board) is very skilled at creating these great situations where the PCs happen to have insane firepower on their side, and it's absolutely, completely, utterly... useless.
The armours didn't help us rescue the Orion trapped in an abandoned military supply station. They didn't help us make first contact with the Corgani. They actually hurt our effort to take a "rogue" RRT ship to avert a civil war in the Federation. And when my character was sent back to Xenex for diplomatic reasons, he obviously had to leave the armour behind.
So hey... let them have +8 flak vests. http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/smile.gif
--Re'k of Xenex
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"Ah, those are the days - I figured I'd get some caffeine in me and restart my brain, instead it blue screened. Man, that's the last time I buy my brain from Microsoft."
--Largo, weekly rant 01Feb2001, Megatokyo
Has anyone here actually read the stats on this thing? Well here they are, so we might be able to see what this guy was up to and speculate
Armor:
+6 Physical Attacks
+6 Energy Attacks
Size: Fitted to the wearer
Mass: 6 kg
Duration: 48 hrs
Developed to protect Starfleet Marines and other combat personnel in combat, the Type Sierra Four Combat Armor can withstand Phaser hits up to and including setting 6 (light disrupt A). This armor can be used as a space suit for zero-g operations and as an environmental suit protecting the wearer from temperatures from –150 degrees C to +150 degrees C and from high levels of radiation for up to six hours.
The suit consists of a full body jump suit, combat helmet, and gravity combat boots. While light and comfortable, personnel without Personal Equipment (Marine Type Sierra Four-Combat Armor) skill will subtract one die from skill tests. The armor has sensors built into it that analyzes the background the marine is in and adapts a color for that armor to match the terrain.
The helmet that comes with the Type Sierra Four Combat Armor is fitted with a retractable visor which gives the wearer night vision out to 1000 meters and a heads-up display. The visor also has a sighting graticle that lowers the difficulty number to hit by one factor.
All marine combat armor comes with an IFF transponder/interrogator, which enables the marines to identify teammates on the visor HUD.
A small belt pack houses the armors life support system, which purifies the oxygen supply and recycles the drinking water for up to 48 hours. Wrist controls activate the gravity boots; helmet mounted lights, communicator, and the heads up display, night vision and the sighting graticle.
The armor can automatically repair small rips and tears (self-sealing punctures of 6 pts. or less). Larger holes must be repaired by the marine that carries 8 patches for these situations.