more Alien books

Which of these aliens most deserves their own book from Decipher? I am not including Klingons because a Klingon book is planned. I guess they could do a big book with about twenty pages for each Player Guide race. An Aliens volume two the same size as volume one with the same number of races could pretty much wrap up all the races that would logically be considered most important. I came up with a list that seems to cover most of the ones that would reasonably be considered most important plus a few extras, and there's room for more.

Acamarians
Artelines
Ba'ku
Bandi
Baneans
Cairn
Chameloids
Cherons
Cytherians
Debrune
Denobulans
Dopterians
Dosi
Douwd
Excalbians
Exocomps
Ferengi
Haakonians
Harelians
Hupyrians
Hur'q
Iconians
Karemmans
Klaestrons
Krenim
Kriosians
Lorillians
Magna Romans
Melkots
Menthar
Metrons
Mintakans
Myleans
Nagillum
Novans
Organians
Othans
Palmans
Promellians
Pselliads
R'akaa
Remans
Rigellians
Sheliak
Son'a
Talarians
Tamarians
Taurhai
Terabians
Tkon
Tzenkethi
Vapulans
Voth
Wadi
Xindi
Zalkonians

Some of these aliens would make excellent candidates. A few, however -- Douwd, Organians, Metrons, Excalbians, and Melkot -- probably fall into the same class as the "Q", although not (in every case) as powerful. That's not to say a narrator couldn't make them distinct, nor that good stories can't be told about them -- I just question whether they warrant much beyond what's been said about the Q.

Good candidates, in my view, are the following: Acamarians, Ba'ku, Bandi, Cherons [1], Cytherians, Debrune, Denobulans[*], Ferengi, Hur'q [2], Iconians [3], Krenim, Magna Romans, Menthar [1], Mintakans, Organians [4], Promellians [1], Remans, Sheliak, Son'a, Talarians, Tamarians, Taurhai, Terabians, Tkon [1], Tzenkethi, Wadi, Zalkonians

[1] - Technically, these are dead races, but artifacts of their civilizations may yet remain to cause trouble. Also, information about them may be useful as background for archeological missions.

[2] - Wouldn't these be covered in the forthcoming Klingon book?

[3] - Important points would include their relationship to the Dewan, Dinalli, and Iccobar, as well as whether they're really a dead race or not!

[4] - Mentioned briefly in the "Q" entry.

I think it would be fun to play in ancient times when the Iconians or whoever were still around.

If it isn't obvious, I'm a bit partial to The Borg myself. They've always been a huge villians, and it would be great to see them get their own books. I'd venture to say they're just as popular, if not more so, than Klingons.

Ah, a fuller explanation of the Cardassians would be a lovely sight. I have a grand fondness for the smoothness of Our Man Garak and a deep fascination with/loathing of Gul Dukat.

Cardassian culture needs a fuller explanation, a further development to provide the true joy of the Grey & Boney Ones. :D

Not to harp, but.....A NEW ROMULAN BOOK WITH UP TO DATE INFO WOULD BE NICE!

Before Last week I would say that the Romulans need their own books. Since I got the DS9 Season 1 DVDs though, I have developed a fascination for the Bajoran culture. I love the Bajorans!

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Originally posted by Ramage
Ah, a fuller explanation of the Cardassians would be a lovely sight. I have a grand fondness for the smoothness of Our Man Garak and a deep fascination with/loathing of Gul Dukat.

Cardassian culture needs a fuller explanation, a further development to provide the true joy of the Grey & Boney Ones. :D

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Your wish is our command. Thry this: http://forum.trek-rpg.net/showthread...ian+sourcebook

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Originally posted by Phantom
Not to harp, but.....A NEW ROMULAN BOOK WITH UP TO DATE INFO WOULD BE NICE!

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Are you sure? from many, many recent comments you are sure to hate anything that requires Paramounts OK before publication... most of us will be fine, but Should we keep this note on record when all of Nemesis is taken into account in the revived Romulan sourcebook?

.A 200 to 250 page book all about the five founding Federation races
.A book covering the races that appear in most of the six (including movies) series (except for the Klingons) : Humans, Romulans, Vulcans, and actually I guess Borg and Ferengi
.All the major threat races (except the Klingons) : Borg, Cardassians, Dominion, Gorn, Kazon, Nausicaans, Q, Romulans, Suliban, Tholians
.TOS races: Andorians, Gorn, Horta, Kelvans, Medusans, Orions, Romulans, Talosians, Tellarites, Tholians, Vulcans
.TNG races: Anticans, Benzites, Betazoids, Bolians, Borg, Bynars, El Auirians, Ligonians, Pakleds, Q, Selay, Zakdorn
.DS9 races: Bajorans, Breen, Cardassians, Dominion, Trill
.VOY races: Borg, Hirogen, Kazon, Malons, Ocampa, 8472, Talaxians, Vidiians
.ENT races: Andorians, Axanar, Nausicaans, Suliban, Tellarites, Vulcans, Denobulans, Xindi
The same race wouldn't appear in more than one of these books, except for 22nd, 23rd, and 24th century Klingons, Ent and other Vulcans, etc.

Expanded entries would include more of the same, especially physiology, language, names, and eras, plus more on where they can be found, stats for sample characters (from the show, politicians, other famous and historical individuals), possibly homeworld stats, technology.

The above books could include more or less than I mentioned. They could include races not in the existing Aliens book.

Another feature in expanded entries would be relations with other races, such as the other ones in the same book, the five founding Feds, neighboring Feds, races in the same series, neighboring powers.

All those are interesting and I'd really like to have a Romulan , a Klingon and a Cardassian book, but I'll really be happy when those books will have a ferengi brother along them on my shelves.

I wouldn't mind seeing something of a "historic" alien book. The Chameloids and the Iconians, for example, would make for some interesting reading, although I'll also admit that the Eugenics War superhumans (like good ol' Khan) would also be nice to see. Otherwise... definitely Romulans, Borg and Species 8472. :p

Pity I don't have Aliens yet... it's ordered through my local bookstore as of four days ago, but their warehouse is out, and has 14 copies on order from Decipher, so there's no telling when I'll get it. :(

Romulan

Borg

Cardassian

Vulcan

Ferengi

I'm guesinng that Romulan will come next considering its tradition in the star trek rpg world (FASA and LUG) had one

I don't think you need an alien sourcebook for Vulcans or Romulans as they were thoroughly covered in LUG's sourcebooks & conversions to the CODA system are pretty easy. Maybe Decipher can just do an update, esp. since Nemesis shows Remus to be quite different than what was written in LUG's Romulans boxed set.

I would like to see sourcebooks on the Dominion (which naturally includes the Founders, Jem'hadar & Vorta), the Borg, and Bajorans. I think you can cover pretty much all the major races from the Delta Quadrant in a VOY sourcebook. I think eventually an ENTERPRISE sourcebook would be nice but I would recommend waiting until the series ends, otherwise anything published would be obviously dated.

Alpha Centaurans!

I for one don't want species books. I want Empire books. I mean, I don't need an entire book on Vulcans or Andorians. The LUG books were way cool, to be sure. But did I need them? No. A chapter in a Federation Sourcebook would have been sufficent for me.

I am happy with Klingons because its a substancial Empire as well as being a race. I think a lot of mileage can be gained from this book by gamemasters. If I was to buy a species book I want more than one species included, grouped into either a region (like a Quadrent) or based on their alliagence (such as Dominion or Federation).

What other Empire Books would I like to see? In Order?

Klingons, Federation, Dominion, Borg, Cardassians, Romulans, Empires of the Alpha Quadrent (the minor ones), Empires of the Gamma Quadrent (maybe a companion to the Dominion book), Empires of the Delta Quadrent.

You could move the Romulans to the end because of we have "Way of D'era". The Cardies and the Borg could be delayed cause they have been decimated in recent Trek history and are probably not a big player in current Trek history yet.

While I can see all of your points about the Way of D'era being duplicated - it isn't - because this is a completelly new system and therefore needs it's own books. I would quite like to see a final version of the Romulans, but the problem is it's now going to have to be shelved untill a few series of enterprise gets underway, because they are changing the timeline on the fly, making it extremelly hard to have any sort of 'definitive' timeline for technology!

For that reason the Borg source book would be easy to make as they are wrapped up. Of course they will be back I am sure :D (I mean it IS the second time the Borg queen died - think about it!!!)

Romulans. :)

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While I can see all of your points about the Way of D'era being duplicated - it isn't - because this is a completelly new system and therefore needs it's own books.

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I agree that they need their own books eventually. I want all the information in LUGTrek "CODAfied" eventually but not right now. I want new info first.

CODATrek follows LUGTrek continuity except where it had to be revised due to revelations from Trek. The whole D'era thing is straight from the LUGTrek days (as is the Andorian Keths IIRC). So except one Enterprise episode and Nemesis, most of the Romulans history is going to be pretty much from "Way of D'era". Decipher reps, correct me if I am wrong here.

So while CODATrek may be a brand new system, its pretty much following the continuity and spirit of the LUGTrek line.

Personally I would rather see a book on an Empire not really covered by CODA or LUGTrek first, rather than a replacement for a sourcebook that pretty much still serviceable.

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Originally posted by prophetsteve
I agree that they need their own books eventually. I eventually want all the information in LUGTrek "CODAfied" eventually but not right now. I want new info first.

CODATrek follows LUGTrek continuity except where it had to be revised due to revelations from Trek. The whole D'era thing is straight from the LUGTrek days (as is the Andorian Keths IIRC). So except one Enterprise episode and Nemesis, most of the Romulans history is going to be pretty much from "Way of D'era". Decipher reps, correct me if I am wrong here.

So while CODATrek may be a brand new system, its pretty much following the continuity and spirit of the LUGTrek line.

Personally I would rather see a book on an Empire not really covered by CODA or LUGTrek first, rather than a replacement for a sourcebook that pretty much still serviceable.

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Since that book was written the Klingons/Federation Alliance had the Romluans join creating the Allies vs the Dominion. With changes from that and introduction of some of the Romulan Star Empire Races that can change alot of the information the Remans (much as the idea of them I hate) the destruction of the Romulan Senate etc. Too much information changes from the LUG information would mean a a rerwrite and the Romulan are also felt in Enterprise with the Mine Field and possibly later in the series as well. Romulan background has changed alot.
I do not think there needs to be books on all the races but many factions.

Klingon Empire- Long Standing Enemy and Ally depending of the Era.
Romulans Star Empire- Classic enemy from all the Eras.
Dominion- Big new enemy
Ferengi- Enemy and sometimes ally.

Something on some other groups that have not had as big an influance but can be grouped in a book together. Combine the Tholans, Orion Syndicate, Gorn, Son'a into the book a chapter and such on these groups and other minor Enemy orginazations.

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Honestly except for the Remans there isn't a big change in background. Trek has done a very poor job of developing their cutulure. Big development in historical record yes, but we have seen very little that has expanded our knoweldge of Romulans themselves. Not like we have had with the Klingons, Vulcans, Ferengi, or even the Bajorans, for example.

As for as the Remans - personally I think their influence is small (or we would have seen them before). They did serve as shock troops in the Dominion War but seem a repressed near-slave minority rather than an active part of the Empire. And since I find the Remans silly I am quite happy to leave them without much influence on Romulan history ;)

I want a Rommies book as well as a revision to the Time Travel book (with all the Enterprise Temporal War stuff added), and a Federation book with updated Andorian and Vulcan info.

However I don't want a Rommies or the other books in a slot where an untouched Empire or faction book could have been slotted (especially this soon in the game) Concidering we lost LUG before we could get Klingons and Cardassians I don't want to cover old territory so soon when there are dozens of other species books that could be done.

I want Cardassians, Klingons, Dominion, Ferengi (maybe bought together with other Merchant/Pirate races like the Orion), etc. before we go back on things that LUG has touched.

Its just that I would like Coda to cover new territory first before it goes about revising all previously released books