Do you consider Enterprise (NX-01) canon in your campaigns?

[Lt.Khrys Antos]

Originally posted by Phoenix
As a rule I never use any thing from a series until the series ends. Movies are incorperated as they come out, not as part of a series (next movie to incorperate First Contact...).

I use this method also.

I wait until everything is done. I used to hate VOY but finally incorporated nearly everything it set as canon.

I don't use anything from ENT...yet. I've missed alot of episodes, so I'm going to wait until I can see them again. Just to check what they say and some background stuff.

[CmdrBluejeans]

In the 'Star Trek: the High Frontier' campaign's one Mirror Universe episode, called 'Pressed Against the Glass', the mirror counterpart of the PC CO in the game, Captain Ariel Ibanez (although, actually, he was 'Admiral' Ibanez in the mirror universe), made the throw-away comment that, for me, defines where Enterprise is in my game. In a personal log that opened one of the Acts of the episode, he said, as an aside comment, that 'Archer was right. We should have learned, like he did, from his mistakes, and shut our doors when we had the chance.'

In short, my campaign's contention is that Archer's timeline is our Mirror Universe.

I have since gone on record, yes, as telling that to my players, and making it official. The more I thought about it, the more it grew on me.


CmdrBJ

[Antonsb214]

I have no problem with phase pistols, lasers, phasers, lasers that act like phasers.... it's just a TV show. I not like I'm not saying that every advancement we've discovered since TOS can't be in Star Trek because they never mentioned it... we didn't have much to argue about before TNG. I just consider the pilot episodes to be 23rd century produced entertainments and somebody didn't hire a good technical advisor, so that fixes my continuity problems.
So far I haven't seen too much that really changes canon, depending on how you interpret on-screen dialogue.

[TJLanza]

At the moment, I am completely against incorporating ENT into anything I run. There are all sorts of inconsistencies that I can't justify, but it really comes down to one thing: Dedication Plaques.

They call the NX-01 a starship. NCC-1701-A's dedication plaque says "Second starship to bear the name." It doesn't say "Second Federation starship to bear the name," so the most frequent counter-objection is counter-counter-objected. If Enterpise-A is the second, that makes NCC-1701 the first. Therefore, NX-01 cannot exist.

*Watches ENT vanish is a puff of logic, and rejoices.

I may give it some consideration when it's finished, but not a moment before.

[Shoshuro]

I tend to run TNG-Dominion War times so Enterprise stuff is kinda moot (or as joey says moo). Besides I don't get Enterprise (or UPN) so I'm not caught up since the start of season 3.

Also I view any campaign as an alternate timeline to begin with, so whatever you put in doesn't matter, as long as you have enough consistancy to run the game.

[Mazza]

Originally posted by TJLanza
At the moment, I am completely against incorporating ENT into anything I run. There are all sorts of inconsistencies that I can't justify, but it really comes down to one thing: Dedication Plaques.

They call the NX-01 a starship. NCC-1701-A's dedication plaque says "Second starship to bear the name." It doesn't say "Second Federation starship to bear the name," so the most frequent counter-objection is counter-counter-objected. If Enterpise-A is the second, that makes NCC-1701 the first. Therefore, NX-01 cannot exist.

*Watches ENT vanish is a puff of logic, and rejoices.

I may give it some consideration when it's finished, but not a moment before.

But was the Enterprise-A's dedication plaque ever actually legible on screen? On my DVD of Star Trek VI, no matter how much I zoom in, I can't read what the text on that thing says. If you're going to count something which isn't legible as canon, then surely all of the gags on the LCARS displays on the Enteprise-D are canon too...

...just saying and all.

[TJLanza]

Originally posted by Mazza
But was the Enterprise-A's dedication plaque ever actually legible on screen? On my DVD of Star Trek VI, no matter how much I zoom in, I can't read what the text on that thing says. If you're going to count something which isn't legible as canon, then surely all of the gags on the LCARS displays on the Enteprise-D are canon too...

...just saying and all.

No, but some of the other ones are seen, and all of them are shown in the Encyclopedia. They're numbered sequentially with A as "Second", B as "Third", and so on.

[Mazza]

Originally posted by TJLanza
No, but some of the other ones are seen, and all of them are shown in the Encyclopedia. They're numbered sequentially with A as "Second", B as "Third", and so on.

They're all seen, but I don't think any of them are legible, with the possible exception of the TOS one, which says nothing about which ship it was. And as fantastic as the Encyclopedia is, and as much as I love it, it isn't canon.

I know that the plaques actually did say what you've said they say, but the fact that we couldn't read them on screen means that there's some wriggle room. The plaques also say things like Admiral Gene Roddenberry is in Starfleet Command - are these things also canon if the enumerations are?

[TJLanza]

I suppose we'll just start arguing the canonicity of the dedication quotes now...

As for the Roddenbury thing... why not? Guy has to have a name anyway. Gene Roddenbury doesn't exist in the Star Trek universe by name, he's called "God" there.

[Mazza]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying that ignoring a whole TV show for the sake of a dedication plaque we can never read on the actual show seems a little excessive to me.

There are better reasons to ignore Enterprise .

[TJLanza]

Originally posted by Mazza
I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying that ignoring a whole TV show for the sake of a dedication plaque we can never read on the actual show seems a little excessive to me.

There are better reasons to ignore Enterprise .

There are all sorts of issues with Enterprise, many of which have already been mentioned here. That one just happens to be the final nail on the coffin for me.

Personally, the first nail on the coffin is the theme song. It's bad enough that it has lyrics, but it's also in first person singular. If it were written in the first person plural (we/us instead of I/me), then I could at least appreciate it as refering to humanity in the Trek universe. As is, though, it's just emotional drivel.

[Karg]

It could also be said that since the NX-01 belongs to Earth's Starfleet & not UFP's Starfleet it doesn't count in the liniage

[TJLanza]

Originally posted by Karg
It could also be said that since the NX-01 belongs to Earth's Starfleet & not UFP's Starfleet it doesn't count in the liniage

As much as I love that idea, they've already "adjusted" the numbers in a few sources (like the Decipher RPG books).

[toadmage]

Yes and no , I would love to play or run a game in this time setting .

The three or four games I did manage to run took place a other class of warp five ships build in secret with out the knownage of the Vulcan High Command.