Third X-Men In Works

[Balok]

If Singer is really filming X3 and X4 at the same time, then it is at least possible that these will be like Kill Bill 1 and 2 -- two halves of a single story. That approach would allow a fair degree of cosmic storytelling.

[REG]

Originally posted by Fesarius

If Singer is really filming X3 and X4 at the same time, then it is at least possible that these will be like Kill Bill 1 and 2 -- two halves of a single story. That approach would allow a fair degree of cosmic storytelling.

Yeah, but from what I hear through the grapevine, Quentin Tarantino initially wanted Kill Bill to be one looong movie (about 3 hours), but grudgingly surrendered to the studio's decision to split it. While I have not yet seen Vol. 2, many say it is not as exciting as Vol. 1.

Had Tarantino planned it to be a two-part movie from the beginning, the same way Peter Jackson had planned for LOTR, perhaps he could have taken a better approach to pacing out the story over two 2-hour film length.

[REG]

Originally posted by Jem'hadar

I'm not sure what the Skrull & Kree have to do w/ the Dark Phoenix saga other than they had observers when Empress Lilandra's Imperial Guard tried to kill Jean Grey. But the original story did directly involve the Shi'ar Empire & I agree they won't likely introduce the alien aspects into the movies. Thus, it is likely we won't see a scene where Dark Phoenix destroys a sun thereby killing 5 billion beings.

I apologized for not having the best recollection of Marvel Universe lore. My only recollection from memory alone (haven't picked up a comic book since the 90's) is that the Shi'ar Empire is comprised of one of the two species mentioned, and are at war with each other. Then again, they could be the third species involved with either the Skrull or the Kree.

I'd like to think that her metamorphosis began back in the first X-Men, where she might be the only one affected by Magneto's invention, somehow awakening a dormant mutant gene in her, but did not show up immediately, and the final catalyst happened in X2, where she died saving her comrades.

One has to wonder what kind of additional powers will this (Dark) Phoenix have? Will we see her turned away? As I don't see how Magneto is going to be her "devil's advocate," what new villain will appear to turned her to the dark side?

[Balok]

Originally posted by REG
My only recollection from memory alone (haven't picked up a comic book since the 90's) is that the Shi'ar Empire is comprised of one of the two species mentioned, and are at war with each other. Then again, they could be the third species involved with either the Skrull or the Kree.

The Shi'ar Empire is ruled by the Shi'ar, a vaguely birdlike race. It consists of many subject races, but the Skrulls and the Kree are not among them.

The Skrulls and the Kree have suffered various reversals in recent years: the Skrull Throneworld was sucked dry by Galactus, and much of the Kree population fell victim to a plan of their own Supreme Intelligence to force their evolution to accelerate.

Originally posted by REG
I'd like to think that her metamorphosis began back in the first X-Men, where she might be the only one affected by Magneto's invention, somehow awakening a dormant mutant gene in her, but did not show up immediately, and the final catalyst happened in X2, where she died saving her comrades.

This might make an interesting story, but the chief problem I'd have with it is that it removes the element of choice from the equation. At least part of what happened to Jean/Phoenix when she became Dark Phoenix was about the choices she made. While it's true that Mastermind engineered some of her bad decisions, they were still her decisions: he can't exert mind control (and the Phoenix entity had patterned itself, at least in part, on Jean Grey's mind).

I think the element of free choice needs to be there, to allow for some kind of meaningful redemption, and/or to make her destruction more tragic.

[Balok]

Originally posted by REG
what new villain will appear to turned her to the dark side?

"Oh no, my young Phoenix. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things."

(Sorry, couldn't resist! )

[REG]

Originally posted by Fesarius

I think the element of free choice needs to be there, to allow for some kind of meaningful redemption, and/or to make her destruction more tragic.

Hmm. As I'm trying to recollect every detail of the DS Saga, my question is why did Phoenix chose to turn?

[Cluttered Mind]

Originally posted by Fesarius
The Shi'ar Empire is ruled by the Shi'ar, a vaguely birdlike race. It consists of many subject races, but the Skrulls and the Kree are not among them.

Actually, I think nowadays the Kree are a subject race of the Shi'ar. I seem to recall an X-Men Unlimited several years back showing so...but things may have changed since then.

[Cluttered Mind]

Originally posted by REG
Hmm. As I'm trying to recollect every detail of the DS Saga, my question is why did Phoenix chose to turn?

IIRC, it was Mastermind's telepathic manipulations turning Jean Grey into the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club that exposed the Phoenix Force to the darker side of passion and power-lust. It all went downhill from there, with Jean's personality unable to maintain control until the end.

[REG]

So, it is the Phoenix persona that lusted for power and control, not Jean Grey. But is that the "dark" persona of Jean Grey herself, or a different entity living in the host body?

[C5]

As I'm doing my best to catch up on X-Men comics since X2 made a fan out of me, it seems to me that the movies somehow reduced the magnitude of the powers of the heroes.
I mean, for instance, Xavier was apparently able to keep mental contact with all of the X Men while they were on mission in the comics, while in the movies he does not seem to be able to contact anyone past a certain distance (apart from localising them with Cerebro).
Likewise, we hardly see Storm fly in the movies while she frequently does so in the comics (ok, I understand that we have FX constraints here, but still), and so on.

So maybe will Phenix be a very powerful mutant (like she was at the end of X2, maybe a bit more), but not with stellar powers as in the comics. It makes little differences anyway to the rest of the world if she's able to destroy a star or just level a city with a simple thought.

[strict31]

Originally posted by REG
So, it is the Phoenix persona that lusted for power and control, not Jean Grey. But is that the "dark" persona of Jean Grey herself, or a different entity living in the host body?

The question of choice sorta becomes moot in the comic due to the massive retcon they pulled in order to put the original X-Men line up into X-factor. Jean grey never actually was the host in the retcon. The Entity assumed her form and placed Jean's body in suspended animation in a tube deep in the Hudson.

Technically, yes, the Entity was patterned on Jean. But it never actually was Jean making those choices.



Don't look at me like that...I didn't write that crap...I'm just waiting for enough time to go by so that people will have forgotten that Colossus is supposed to be "really, REALLY dead" so they can bring him back too. And then Illyana...


Strictly Speaking

[Don Mappin]

Originally posted by Fesarius
Remember that many of the events that led up to Dark Phoenix took place right here on Earth. It was the Hellfire Club who opened that door. It seems extremely unlikely that they would leave her "evil" at the end of the film unless they wanted to write off the character. That would be a lot of story to jam into one film.

This is precisely my concern and why I didn't like X-Men 2: too many characters fighting for too little screen time. Killing Jean off at the end wasn't necessary and the foreshadowing of the Phoenix Force? They crammed something like 30 issues and five years of story in less than two hours...

Now they'll either a) introduce entirely *new* characters (the Hellfire Club) which will fight for even *more* screen time or b) they'll gloss over the whole thing and cheapen probably the best ever X-Men storyline. (The Phoenix Saga is, in a word, incredible.)

No, I'm not a canon whore, but I just don't see how even Singer can do this justice.

I liken it to trying to fit the Lord of the Rings book trilogy into a single 2 hour movie.

Seeing the Black King would be worth it, though.

[REG]

He just better have a staff of best qualified writers, with comic-book experience.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Don Mappin
This is precisely my concern and why I didn't like X-Men 2: too many characters fighting for too little screen time. Killing Jean off at the end wasn't necessary and the foreshadowing of the Phoenix Force? They crammed something like 30 issues and five years of story in less than two hours...

Now they'll either a) introduce entirely *new* characters (the Hellfire Club) which will fight for even *more* screen time or b) they'll gloss over the whole thing and cheapen probably the best ever X-Men storyline. (The Phoenix Saga is, in a word, incredible.)

No, I'm not a canon whore, but I just don't see how even Singer can do this justice.

I liken it to trying to fit the Lord of the Rings book trilogy into a single 2 hour movie.

Seeing the Black King would be worth it, though.

Wow! Don and I actually agree on something.

Well put.

[Don Mappin]

Originally posted by Phantom
Wow! Don and I actually agree on something.

Well put.

It happens from time-to-time.