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    The Many Fascits Of The Good Old Miranda-class Cruisers

    THE MANY FASCITS OF THE GOOD OLD MIRANDA-CLASS CRUISERS

    We all know the Miranda-class Cruiser well enough. A sleek design that made it's first appearance with The Wrath of Khan movie all those years ago. A sleek looking saucer starship with armaments extenuated out above the saucer appearing like wing. The warp nacelles hanging back very much like the legs on a wasp. Armed with an array of powerful weapons systems that nearly rivaled the Kirk's Enterprise and exceeded in others. The Reliant kick butt right up until three-dimensional tactic were used against a two-dimensional thinking assault commander.

    It wasn't until the Wrath of Khan came out on DVD that I learned that there had been an inverted design of the Miranda. I had known that they had been design after a long trial and error method looking at each design. After looking at the model handing over my bed that I realized that it was a better looking design in my opinion? I thought the ship was good looking and better than the version that the Reliant and the inverted version of the Miranda-class. I like this version better but under stand their reasons for not using it. Two ships looking a lot alike would have been confusing to some of the movie patrons.

    The sleek appearance with the warp nacelles deployed above the saucer like the Enterprise NX-01. I do note that the nacelles suspended over the saucer has the same phaser arc draw backs that they do hanging below the saucer without the roll bar phaser cannons. The torpedo launchers are well located for firing in the below position on all designs. With self-guided torpedoes they could fire dorsally, like the ICBM missiles from the ballistic missile submarines, for a ship coming at the bow of the ship.

    Then after reading STAR TREK MAGAZINE for September 2002 (Volume 3 Issue 05) seeing article for BEHIND THE SCENES - THE RELIANT EARLY DESIGN for the Khans starship. I discovered a third version of the Miranda-class with photon torpedo launchers hung below. The versatility of the design and multi-purpose of the Miranda-class and her sister ships impressed me.

    There are only a few variations that would be made to that of the Miranda-class deck layout in changes to the internal layout to support the changes. I would have attached the photon torpedo launcher to the hull their. I might have placed the forward and aft facing Phaser Cannons just above the saucer on the warp pylons. With the Paramount Pictures studio design the ship would be more of a science vessel than a destroyer type vessel. This design would clearly be within the Federation characteristics for the starship designs build for functionality.

    I have included the Soyuz-class modifications that I have also noted in my personal notes on the Miranda. The U.S.S. Bozeman an enhanced sensor vessel with the ability to hold their own in a combat.

    A list of different types of Miranda-class of starships seen to date
    Miranda-class (Standard/Reliant) - over the saucer phaser cannon, torpedo launchers (science/cruiser)
    Miranda-class (Saratoga) - Off to the side phaser Cannon looking apparatus (Patrol ship)
    Miranda-class (Lantree) - no phaser cannons or photon torpedo launchers (cargo ship)
    Soyuz-class (Bozeman) - enhanced sensors and phaser cannons (Heavy sensor ship)
    Miranda-class (Inverted Standard/Reliant) - under the saucer phaser cannon, torpedo launchers (science/crusier)
    Miranda-class (heavy torpedo ship) - twin under the saucer torpedo launchers (combat (missile boat) /cruiser)

    Here are the slight changes I have made to the standard Spacedock Miranda-class designs to create the ships.

    The changes to the Standard to Miranda-class to bring into Cannon appearance
    Phaser Cannons: One of the first things I noticed about the Spacedocks Miranda-class was the lack of the aft facing phaser cannons. I clearly remember seeing that the first time I saw the film in the theater.

    Phaser cannons (4 x <32> = 128)
    Type: VII
    Damage: 170 [17 Power]
    Number of Emitters: 120 (up to 3 shots per round)
    Auto-Phaser Interlock: Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
    Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
    Location: ventral side forward port, forward starboard, aft port, aft starboard
    Firing Arc: 180 degrees per phaser emitter
    Firing Modes: Standard, Continuous, and Pulse, wide-beam

    Miranda-class (Saratoga)
    The Saratoga type the rolebar is dropped from the designs. And the phaser cannons exstenuated from the sides of the saucer port and starbaord aimed forward. By the 24th century these would be no more powerful than the standard phaser banks on the main hull.
    Phaser cannons (2 x <32> = 64)
    Type: VII
    Damage: 170 [17 Power]
    Number of Emitters: 120 (up to 3 shots per round)
    Auto-Phaser Interlock: Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
    Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
    Location: ventral side forward port, forward starboard,
    Firing Arc: 180 degrees per phaser emitter
    Firing Modes: Standard, Continuous, and Pulse, wide-beam

    Miranda-class (Lantree)
    With the lantree the type the dropping of the roll bar and weapons attached to it. Two photon launcher could be planed in the forward ventral hull

    Photon Torpedo Launcher (2 x <14> 28)
    Standard Load: Type II photon torpedo (200 Damage)
    Spread: 4
    Range: 15/300,000/1,000,000/3,500,000
    Targeting System: Accuracy 4/5/7/10
    Power: [20 + 5 per torpedo fired]
    Location: ventral saucer section
    Firing Arc: forward, but are self-guided

    The Inverted design of the Miranda Class
    Warp Nacelles: The Warp nacelles are deployed above the hull rather than below the hull like the standard Miranda-class.
    Phaser cannons: stationed at the corners of the rollbar the phaser cannons would hang under the hull while the nacelles are above.
    Photon Torpedo Launchers: similar to the Standard Miranda-class mid-rollbar the alternative would be an under slung like the phaser cannons of the above.

    Phaser cannons (4 x <32> = 128)
    Type: VII
    Damage: 170 [17 Power]
    Number of Emitters: 120 (up to 3 shots per round)
    Auto-Phaser Interlock: Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
    Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
    Location: ventral side forward port, forward starboard, aft port, aft starboard
    Firing Arc: 180 degrees per phaser emitter
    Firing Modes: Standard, Continuous, and Pulse, wide-beam

    Phaser Bank <22> (optional phaser bank)
    Type: VII
    Damage: 140 [14 Power]
    Number of Emitters: 120 (up to 3 shots per round)
    Auto-Phaser Interlock: Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
    Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
    Location: Aft (just in front of the impulse engines)
    Firing Arc: 180 degrees per phaser emitter
    Firing Modes: Standard, Continuous, Pulse, wide-beam
    Notes: this is just to cover the Phaser weapons blind spot in the upper rear of the Miranda-class left by the dropping the heavy weapons to the under the saucer. This can be installed under the saucer half way back behind the saucer dome to cover the Phaser weapons blind spot on the Miranda-class standard.

    Photon Torpedo Launcher (4 x <14> 56)
    Standard Load: Type II photon torpedo (200 Damage)
    Spread: 4
    Range: 15/300,000/1,000,000/3,500,000
    Targeting System: Accuracy 4/5/7/10
    Power: [20 + 5 per torpedo fired]
    Location: middle of Ventral rollbar, two tubes facing forward two facing aft
    Firing Arc: forward, but are self-guided

    Inverted design with heavy torpedo launchers
    Twin launcher pods hanging below the main hull on the either side below the warp pods port and Starboard. Two launcher facing forward and aft on either mounting would be needed as would dropping the phaser cannons.

    Photon Torpedo Launcher <(8 x 14) 112>
    Standard Load: Type II photon torpedo (200 Damage)
    Spread: 4
    Range: 15/300,000/1,000,000/3,500,000
    Targeting System: Accuracy 4/5/7/10
    Power: [20 + 5 per torpedo fired]
    Location: Twin launcher pods hanging below the main hull on the either side below the warp pods port and Starboard. Four launchers per pod, two forward and two aft.
    Firing Arc: forward and aft, but are self-guided

    Soyuz-class
    Phaser Cannons: what looks like four long barrel like protrusions from the aft dorsal mast, the Ventral rudder looking thing and port and starboard pods could be phaser cannon locations. Mixed in with what could easily be sensing equipment. For all I know they could be sensing equipment.

    Phaser cannons (4 x <32> = 128)
    Type: VII
    Damage: 170 [17 Power]
    Number of Emitters: 120 (up to 3 shots per round)
    Auto-Phaser Interlock: Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
    Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
    Location: forward ventral, forward Dorsal, Forward port, forward starboard
    Firing Arc: 180 degrees per phaser emitter
    Firing Modes: Standard, Continuous, and Pulse, wide-beam

    Photon Torpedo Launcher (2 x <14> 28)
    Standard Load: Type II photon torpedo (200 Damage)
    Spread: 4
    Range: 15/300,000/1,000,000/3,500,000
    Targeting System: Accuracy 4/5/7/10
    Power: [20 + 5 per torpedo fired]
    Location: ventral saucer section
    Firing Arc: forward, but are self-guided

    Other plausible changes foreseen in the inverted designs:
    Warp nacelles: The nacelles from the Constitution-class may replace them if the need arises. A simple upgrade in warp drive performance with the Mark 7 <105> 7.0/8.5/9.0 the rest of the systems would be the same as they are on the standard Miranda-class. This change could also be done in the standard Miranda-class.
    Warp Core: in horizontal alignment - with the large nacelles an increase in the warp core would be needed to equal the Constitution-class in power the core would have to increase power by 20 -- 2 additional SU's.
    Sensor pod: An over the hull sensor pod mounted much like the Phoenix type of the Nebula-class improving the sensors of the Miranda-class. One could even utilize the Sutherland style of the Nebula-class installing a forward and aft launcher in along side the enhanced sensor equipment.
    A under slung cargo pod like the Ptolemy-class cargo hauler could be utilized in the Miranda-class as a heavy protected cargo carrier. Could another variant. That’s just getting carried away.

    In conclusion: The Miranda-class is one versatile vessel with many more interesting facets that can be explored and manipulated in the designs.

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    Looks good but I have to tell you that the story does not begin with the Miranda/Avenger Class, unofficially/ non-canon speaking of course. In Todd Gunthers Ships of the Starfleet, Volume I you will find a ship by the name of the Surya, which is a pre-movie era version of the Miranda/Avenger (just think what the class would have looked like during the original series era on TV).
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    Your Surya sounds a lot like FASA's Anton class, which was mentioned, by FASA, to be the predecessor of the Reliant class.
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    Sorry always hated the Anton class here is a link to a schematic of the surya and you will have to conceed she is a lot more sleekera dn resembles the line sof the miranda/avenger a whole lot better and not as bulky.

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...gate_surya.jpg
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    Yeah, the Anton sucked like a black hole. I prefer the <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_coventry_upgrade.jpg">Coventry</a> as the immediate precursor to the Miranda over the Surya (note: the Franz Joseph style sensor dish slung under the saucer in the Surya link is an addition by an artist other than the original designer - the Surya originally appeared in Ships of the Star Fleet by Todd Guenther, without the dish as shown <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_surya_upgrade.jpg">here</a>).

    The Coventry also appeared in SotSF and features a longer aft hull, more closely resembling the Miranda in shape. The Surya is more likely a precursor of the <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/fastfrigate_daran.jpg">Daran</a> and <a href="http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_knox_proposed.jpg">Knox</a> classes (also from SotSF).

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    I agree, the Surya does look alot better then the Anton.
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    Nice thoughts, but I would probably read them with more attentiveness if you spelled 'facets' correctly. Spellcheck is your friend.
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    Other way round Owen, the original version of the Surya did have the dish. The SotSF version is the ships as they are in 2291 (those not further refitted to Avenger specs of course). The Surya, Coventry and Detroyat all appeared on a one sheet poster showing the evolution of the Avenger class (it also featured the Ptolemy) which was published in 1983, a good few years before SotSF.

    This poster also contains an explanation of why the smaller Surya rather than the larger Coventry is the basis for the Avenger. The Coventry was so new that a refit wasn't economical. In addition the Surya was simpler internally and thus easier to refit.

    Before I got my hands on this poster I used to think the same way as you, which is why my article at http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/mir_history.html talks about swapping the designs of the Surya and Coventry.
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    My understanding of the Miranda concept art was that it when it went up for approval, it was viewed and approved <i>upside down</i>. So the shop just turned the nacelles over to fit the approved orientation, rather then risking the design being scrapped altogether and having to come up with a new design.

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    That's what I heard. It is still a good look for the vessal. I've seen the images and drawings that look good with the ship inverted.

    I'll have a few more ships that I can post. I just have to type them up. Maybe I'll wait for Jewel to get back at the end of the week.

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    Actually, that story is sorta true... The Miranda as originally designed wasn't "upside down" - it had the hull exactly as eventually used, but with the nacelles above and a pair of small torp pods beneath. There was some concern that with the nacelles up, the ship might be confused with the Enterprise in the Mutara nebula battle, so they consciously moved the nacelles down and placed the torp pod in a rollbar.

    The ship that got approved "upside down" was the original TOS Enterprise, where according to legend the small study model hung upside down and Roddenberry liked it better that way.

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    Oh, BTW, are you sure you didn't mean to title this threas "The Many FACETS..." as in many aspects and properties, likened to the many faces, or "facets" of a diamond.

    As it is, it looks more like "Fascists." The only fascists I remember being in a Miranda were Khan and his crew, unless the Ekosians captured one...

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    FACETS - FASCITS

    THE MANY FASCITS OF THE GOOD OLD MIRANDA-CLASS CRUISERS

    The Electronic Thesaurus / Spell-checker I use on a regular biases has the following listings for Facets (Faces, Countenances, Appearances, Aspects, Expressions, Mugs, Physiognomies, Visages, Stages, Phases, Aspects).

    FASCITS [corrected spelling by the Electronic Thesaurus / Spell-checker is Fascist: (Nazi, Despot, autocrat, Absolute Ruler, authoritarian, dictator, oligarch, oppressor, overlord, strong man, tyrant).]

    It was one of those missed words that are spelled right but are the wrong words for the writing. Much like their and there are easily mixed up, I do it all the time and have to go back and correct it. Even in the local newspaper that I work for has the same problem with their reporters and composing departments. Majority of the news comes off the wire and it is put into the paper miss spellings and wrong word useage, and printed many newspapers have done away with proofreaders. I admit I am a poor speller, and type too fast, but when I make a mistake I admit it. The paper does not even acknowledge spell checker on the computers.

    Clearly the Miranda has all of these with the exception of never seeing the word “Physiognomies” before just looking up the word Facets today. I believe the word fits the title.

    I really wrote the little article as an exercise in writing using the Miranda-classes and spin-off classes as a subject. By no means is my analysis the correct or the final, just my analysis. These were the adjustments that I made to ships used in our games and posted them for use of others, the same as others have done with their ships and notes.

    I just like the INVERTED look of the Miranda-class and the Class in general. A sleek simple design with plenty of uses beyond the military and science duties that would be assigned to such a ship.
    Last edited by Omega1967; 10-28-2006 at 04:51 AM.

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    As of my last count I have found the following versions of the Miranda-class most made by fans and cannon versions.

    Type Mark I – TOS version, no over head weapons pod or phaser cannon.
    Type Mark II – TOS version, with over head weapons pod no phaser cannons.
    Type Mark III – Refit version, “Reliant” The Wrath of Khan – CANNON --
    Type Mark IV – DS9’s Version “Saratoga,” no roll bar but heavy phaser cannons. – CANNON --
    Type Mark V – TNG’s version “Lantree,” no roll bar or heavy phaser cannons. – CANNON --
    Type Mark VI – TNG’s Version “Soyuz-class” – CANNON --
    Type Mark VII – This version has what looked to be an Oberth-class’s Secondary hull slung over the hull. This was at on the web. If you know the web address let me know I would like to take another look at it.
    Type Mark VIII – Miranda-class inverted version suggested by The Wrath of Khan DVD bonus features. The roll-bar under slung the hull.
    Type Mark IX – Miranda-class inverted version no roll bar like Saratoga (Mark IV).
    Type Mark X -- Miranda-class inverted version no roll bar like Lantree (Mark V).
    Type Mark XI – Miranda-class with longer aft area of the hull.
    Type Mark XII – Like Mark XI but inverted.
    Type Mark XIII – Mark V “Lantree version” with a Constitution-class Secondary hull under the hull.
    Type Mark XIV – (not a realistic but is a look.) The Miranda-class hull mounted in place of the Constitution-class’s saucer. It utilizes both sets of warp nacelles and Miranda’s heavy weapons.

    Let me know if you seen any others.
    Last edited by Omega1967; 11-01-2006 at 05:59 AM.

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    here is some of the image links to the Miranda-class that I wrote about.

    Standard Miranda-class

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...te_miranda.jpg

    Miranda-class ST pre-TOS

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...nda_proto1.jpg

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...da_erlprop.jpg

    Advenger-class Preposed first version of the Miranda-class

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...randa_prop.jpg

    No rollbar

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...nda_proto2.jpg

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