No Daleks In New Who

[Jem'hadar]

FYI,

No Daleks In New Who
The BBC confirmed that the Daleks will not appear in a new Doctor Who TV series after a failure to reach a deal with the estate of late SF writer Terry Nation, who created the metal monsters.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m...07/06/10.00.tv

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Jem'hadar
FYI,

No Daleks In New Who
The BBC confirmed that the Daleks will not appear in a new Doctor Who TV series after a failure to reach a deal with the estate of late SF writer Terry Nation, who created the metal monsters.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m...07/06/10.00.tv

WHAT? NO!

[JALU3]

Let me do . . . one thing to show my feelings on this:

eek!

[AslanC]

That's like Star Trek without... Klingons!

The Estate of Terry Nation you are being silly!

I had also heard they were behind the hold up on the new Blake's 7 show too!

[Balok]

To be fair, Aslan, it's hard to know who's being silly, since we don't know what the Nation estate was offered for the right to use the concept, what it asked for, or how either offer stacks up against industry standards.

But I do believe that the BBC should have done whatever was necessary to get these key villains in the new series. They're Doctor Who's arch-nemesis, after all.

[AslanC]

Originally posted by Fesarius
To be fair, Aslan, it's hard to know who's being silly, since we don't know what the Nation estate was offered for the right to use the concept, what it asked for, or how either offer stacks up against industry standards.

But I do believe that the BBC should have done whatever was necessary to get these key villains in the new series. They're Doctor Who's arch-nemesis, after all.

Maybe, but do you think Terry Nation would have approved of this? Estates are always th family of the creative individual who tend to thin it is worth a lot more money than anything else. Look at what Herbert has done to Dune? Now that said at least the Tolkien estate has some respect for the work.

No, I doubt very much Terry Nation would have stopped a Dr. Who show from using Daleks.

YMMV

[Setvenharis]

Terry Nation's estate was offered close to One and a Half Million pounds according to one of the papers here. They have denied the BBC use of the Daleks in the new Doctor Who for the simple reason being that they fear the new writers will make the Daleks "too evil".

What a bunch of frellwits!

[Publius]

"Too evil"??? wasn't that the point of their creation? to have beings devoid of any messy things like emotion, that have turned against even their own creator as I recall... I can't say that I love those little salt & pepper shakers of unmitigated destruction but c'mon, they are so very Who.

The only thing I can think of to say really is:
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!
EX-TER-MIN-AAAAATE!

[Ezri's Toy]

To be honest, even if the Daleks returned to the new Dr. Who, they'd have to be seriously re-designed for them to be believeable. The rolling pepperpots just wouldn't fly in this post-Syd Mead era of SF movies and TV. But, the pepperpot shape is trademark of the Daleks So, if they were redesigned, a number of fans wouldn't accept them. So, the loss of the Daleks, as they are now, wouldn't be the problem some think it is.

The thing I think is more important is the casting. I wasn't happy with the choice for the new Doctor (Would have preferred Richard E. Grant) and I hope they take serious considerations when casting The Master! (Here's hoping for Forever Knight / Lexx's Nigel Bennett!)

[Phantom]

Was it the Nation Estate that were responsible for the way the Daleks were, briefly, portrayed in the Fox Networks TV movie of Dr. Who? They were the Judges at The Masters Trial.

[Balok]

Well, that might depend on *how* they were redesigned. Sure, a fan could take the position that if the Dalek doesn't look like he thinks it should (a rolling pepperpot, for example), then he's going to think it sucks.

OTOH, I believe the Doctor used their dependence on wheels and floor current against them at least once. You'd think they'd work on a way around that problem. Especially since the *real* Dalek is a lump of protoplasm (or something) inside the part we see, which is basically a travel machine / armored suit. Nothing says that "suit" has to look the same all the time.

[Sea Tyger]

Well, if the Daleks are retired, all I can say is..

bring on the Cybermen!

[Phantom]

Actually in some of the later eps, before it went on hiatus, they did get around the whole needing current to move. They used an AG sled and some type of teleporter.

And, yeah, I could do with more of the Cybermen. The real Borg.

[Tobian]

Hmm well I think it's probably for the best. For one thing you shouldn't make too much of a good thing - if every episode of startrek had the Borg in it would get boring

Besides there are several other bad guys, notably the Cybermen - let's just hope Patrick Stuart doesn't set his high price lawyers on them when they start spouting 'you will be assimilated' like he did with Red Dwarf LOL

The Dalek's are really too silly and far too iconic to be brought up to date - you could not, in reality, have them as a plausible bad guy in todays savvy audience - I mean yeah when I was a kid, they were terrifying and all OOOHHH AAHHHH but even back then I could imediatelly see that they would be doomed if only someone put some stairs in (don't correct me yes I know they could float in later episodes, but they were like a HUGE sitting duck as they moved up the stairs in geologic time!) If you took the other route and 'updated' them - imagine the uproar! I don't think I could cope with all of the tedious fan debates about them. I mean EVERY TIME someone does something new with an alien bad guys - Klingons, Cylons and now Dalek's there'd be a bedroom Jihad as thousands of closet Doctor Who fans would rain destruction on the BBC

After so long I think it will be good if he found a new bad guy, refresh the stories, do something NEW, even if it is the Cylons (compared to the Dalek's they were relativelly underused) even if they do look like Bungle wrapped up in tin foil

I also can't see how they can be made to be MORE evil, so total universal conquest and destruction is what - evil lite ? I suspect what he means is effective.. In the same way that the Cylons are now quite decidedly nasty, instead of being comically useless as the Dalek's are now

[strict31]

Does "no Daleks" also mean "no Davros" do you think?


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