starship manuevers

[vecna35]

I am a bit lost on how combat is done according to the narrators guide. Do you pick manuevers at the top of the init for both sides or do u select manuevers when its ur turn to act. I ask this because a high inititive says that you know what the opponent will do by him revealing his picks. But the narrators guide chart p111 number4 ...."when its each ships turn the crew selects two maneuvers."
Does this mean we DON'T select our maneuvers at the TOP of the round but actually when its our turn? If so why does it say we REVEAL our manuevers? Were we hiding them? if so why?

I can't find an example at all that helps me either on trekrpg or the books?

help!

[vecna35]

anyone???

[vecna35]

Don? , Doug? Killerwhale? abyone care to tell me if we pick manuevers at the start of the round or during our turn.

[KillerWhale]

The way we do it is as follows: maneuvers are written down on paper by increasing order of initiative before the round. Therefore, if higher initiatives can see what the others might do, they can. And then maneuvers are resolved in decreasing order. Works pretty smooth that way.

[mattcolville]

Originally posted by vecna35
I am a bit lost on how combat is done according to the narrators guide. Do you pick manuevers at the top of the init for both sides or do u select manuevers when its ur turn to act. I ask this because a high inititive says that you know what the opponent will do by him revealing his picks. But the narrators guide chart p111 number4 ...."when its each ships turn the crew selects two maneuvers."
Does this mean we DON'T select our maneuvers at the TOP of the round but actually when its our turn? If so why does it say we REVEAL our manuevers? Were we hiding them? if so why?

I can't find an example at all that helps me either on trekrpg or the books?

help!

It means what it says, conflicting though that may sound.

Normally, you pick your maneuvers when you act. But if your opponent get's a high enough initiative result, he can FORCE you to decide what you're going to do early, and show him the result.

[vecna35]

Originally posted by KillerWhale
The way we do it is as follows: maneuvers are written down on paper by increasing order of initiative before the round. Therefore, if higher initiatives can see what the others might do, they can. And then maneuvers are resolved in decreasing order. Works pretty smooth that way.

Thanks Killerwhale!

Sorry to sound dense, but could u provide an example?

Still you demonstrated that manuevers are selected NOT during ur turn but at the top of the round.

[vecna35]

Originally posted by mattcolville
It means what it says, conflicting though that may sound.

Normally, you pick your maneuvers when you act. But if your opponent get's a high enough initiative result, he can FORCE you to decide what you're going to do early, and show him the result.

Hmmmm............

so unless a high inititive you pick ur manuevers during your turn.

I wonder whats Dons take on this.....as simple a dilemma as it sounds.

( Thanks for the imput mattcolville)

[KillerWhale]

Matt and my take amount to the same thing. The point is since maneuvers are usually decided in secrecy, the order of decision is not very relevant, unless somebody has to see other maneuvers, in which case they of course have to be decided first hand.

A small example using our rules: the USS Ascendant battles a Kzinti raider. (We roll initiative only at the beginning of combat). Both roll initiative. Cmdr Loryk, having a bad hair day, rolls a little worse than the Kzinti captain.

Round 1: Maneuver decision order: Irrelevant, nobody has to see the other's maneuver. So maneuvers are decided on the fly.
Maneuver decision and resolution order: Kzinti, Ascendant.

Cdr. Loryk being infuriated at having a worse initiative than puny Kzinti raiders, so having DLed ESO ( ) he used the Reevaluate Battlefield in the previous round, and ends up with a WAY better initiative than the Kzinti. The Kzinti will have to show their first maneuver.

Round 2: The Kzinti first announce to the Ascendant that their first maneuver will be "Hard About". The Ascendant crew therefore decides that they should do as much damage as possible, and concentrate all damage in their maneuvers. THEN the Kzinti act, using Hard About and some other maneuver.

I hope this helps

[vecna35]

Ok just so that I am straight about this here is my example,

1st round. Federation wins tactics by only 2 points and therefore will act before the klingon cruiser. Both opp write down their manuevers.
The federation is the first to go so he revels his fire and fire manuever.( he decides to play the same n manuever twice) He scores a hit on the 2nd only and inflicts damage.

Next goes the klingons. now he revela s a close and fire manuever BUT decides now he does not want to close (can he do that? or is it a must do?) next he fires and it results in a miss. The klingon player then regrets his choice of manuever cards based on what the federation did and he would rather had done z axis and fire instead.

Since both players must write down there moves at the beginning of the round he was unable to change OR!!!! am I wrong and the klingon player decides what to do when it is his turn to act???

[Tomcat]

Originally posted by vecna35
Ok just so that I am straight about this here is my example,

1st round. Federation wins tactics by only 2 points and therefore will act before the klingon cruiser. Both opp write down their manuevers.
The federation is the first to go so he revels his fire and fire manuever.( he decides to play the same n manuever twice) He scores a hit on the 2nd only and inflicts damage.

Next goes the klingons. now he revela s a close and fire manuever BUT decides now he does not want to close (can he do that? or is it a must do?) next he fires and it results in a miss. The klingon player then regrets his choice of manuever cards based on what the federation did and he would rather had done z axis and fire instead.

Since both players must write down there moves at the beginning of the round he was unable to change OR!!!! am I wrong and the klingon player decides what to do when it is his turn to act???

No, I think you are missing h0w KillWhale and his players are doing it. Let's use your above example:

FED wins intitiative over KLINKS, so first, the KLINGONS pick their maneuvers that they will perform this round, the FED guys then pick theirs basedon how they want to react to the klingons. If there were another side that was higher than the FED's initiative, then they would then be able to choose their maneuvers based upon what the other two's maneuvers are.

Once all done picking, in increasing INIT order, then actions (Maneuvers) are played out inthedecreasing orderof INIT.

At least that is my interpretation of KW... you decide.

[KillerWhale]

Tomcat you're globally right, only in vecna's example init was won by only two points, so nobody gets an advance notice of what the other side will do.

As matt says, the maneuver is chosen during the turn, so the Klingons might want to choose their maneuvers in reaction to the Feds. That's the official rule AFAIK.

[vecna35]

Thanks very much guys.

So basically when its your turn you decide on what your maneuvers are. You could write them down in advance but when its the klingons turn they can change and play whatever they want during their turn.- cool

My players thought we had to choose ahead of time...thus it lead to a lot of people regreting on what they chose when seeing what the opp has done.