Questions reguarding rules, plethora

[Big-Claw]

ok I will update this thread with my questiosn as I get them
we havn't played through very much Star Trek yet so as we play I will likely have more and more questions
for right now I am curious about a few things off the top of my head

Trait Upgrade, says it can only be used once on a given trait, at least I think that's what it means. So you could only upgrade a given trait like Dodge lets say one time, but could you purchase Trait Upgrade multiple times as long as you used it on a different trait each time?

also for inovative that buys you the right to purchase the ability right you still have to pay for the ability, it's not included in the price of the edge right?

also the Tactical Officer gets Responsive
and Soldiers get Lightning Strike
so if a Tactical Officer gets Inovative twice for Favored Weapon and Lighting Strike do the effects stack?
so for an example Bob the Tactical Officer of the USS Hypothetical goes on a lot of away missions and is almost always using a Hand Phaser as his only real weapon, so he decides it's worth it to get Favored Weapon with the Hand Phaser and Lightning Strike as well as his TO Tier 3 ability Responsive (apprently Bob has a lot of advancements) now, does badass Bob get 3 attacks with a Hand Phaser or 4
and also it's a 2 part question
with Favored Weapon he'd get a -4 penalty if he tried to use a Hand Disruptor or something but does that penalty spill over into other areas
like if Bob is totally out of luck and has only a knife to defend himself with
does the Favored Weapon Penalty go across weapon lines and give him a -4 with the knife or is the penalty group specific?

thanks guys

[Big-Claw]

the question also extends to a Weapon Master's Blinding Speed ability
would Blinding Speed stack with Lightning Attack and Responsive?


oh another one can Trait Upgrade be put on an Edge that normally can be upgraded but to upgrade it differently
like Weapon Master gives +3 to a weapon and you can take it again to get another weapon at the same bonus
can you use Trait Upgrade to make one weapon +6 ?
I would assume no under the strict wording of the Trait Upgrade Edge but I wanted to know so I thought I'd ask

[Tobian]

Well firstly.. all bonuses, unless otherwise stated stack with each other.. this isn't D&D

Trait upgrade can be used once on any trait, but only once! There are some traits where I would be reserved on how much of a bonus it gives, such as the telepathy edge which could give you an effective +4 to your telepathy stat! I'd personally disalow that! Don't forget however if you buy trait upgrade you ALSO have to by the trait in question! Hence its not so cheap!

Innovative.. yes that's what it does.. you simply gain that as a 'profesional skill' making it cheaper to buy it, but it doesn't give you a bonus to that skill.. when you think about it it's worth it though!

Hmm I don't have my books with me So I am struggling to remember how it works but... Yes if you have favoured weapon you could buy that twice, once for each of 2 favoured weapons, giving you a +3 (and -2 on other weapons) respectivelly. If you bought a trait upgrade (so we are talking paying for 3 traits here) and bought favoured weapon then yes those plusses and minuses would stack. if you bought a speciality you'd also add that, so yes you can make it quite possible, with the right combination of bonuses to give yourself a phenomenal bonus to hit!.. on such occasions (and generally) I use the house rule of double 1's... there should ALWAYS be a possibility of missing

I'm not sure how those traits and professional abilities would stack, but I suspect they do, unless they state otherwise.. To be honest you're getting into the realm of overkill, because if you've taken all of those multiple bonuses and you have a +15 - +18 to hit you can pretty much take -5, -10, -15, -20 on the chin for additional extra actions, as to be honest it's hard to make a character harder to hit, without resorting to forcefields (which there are no rules for in personal combat) !

So lets take all that together.. a regular human has a maximum agility +3 maximum skill (+12 - which he could have bought cheaper with the tier 1 professional skill) favoured weapon twice +6 - specialisation +2 .... So that's a +23 there!!! Then with all of those professional abilities you could have +4 bonus attacks per round too........ Hokay! Overkill!!!

If I were the enemy I'd probably send in 20 armed guards, with phasers set to vapourise

With regards to the weapon master, it would be rar cheaper to simply give him a skill focus on his phaser speciality, which would give him a further +4 with no penalty... after I'd signed him up to munchkins anonymous

[Big-Claw]

Trait Upgrade isn't worded the same way Innovative is tho so to me it looks like Trait Upgrade upgrades the trait

[Doug Burke]

Trait Upgrade, says it can only be used once on a given trait, at least I think that's what it means. So you could only upgrade a given trait like Dodge lets say one time, but could you purchase Trait Upgrade multiple times as long as you used it on a different trait each time?

Yes.

also for inovative that buys you the right to purchase the ability right you still have to pay for the ability, it's not included in the price of the edge right?

Correct. I believe it says that fairly explicitely in the description, but I could be wrong...

so if a Tactical Officer gets Inovative twice for Favored Weapon and Lighting Strike do the effects stack?
so for an example Bob the Tactical Officer of the USS Hypothetical goes on a lot of away missions and is almost always using a Hand Phaser as his only real weapon, so he decides it's worth it to get Favored Weapon with the Hand Phaser and Lightning Strike as well as his TO Tier 3 ability Responsive (apprently Bob has a lot of advancements) now, does badass Bob get 3 attacks with a Hand Phaser or 4

I'd have to check my books, but unless the edges specify they only work for a specific type of weapon (melee, ranged, etc.) then the effects stack.

with Favored Weapon he'd get a -4 penalty if he tried to use a Hand Disruptor or something but does that penalty spill over into other areas
like if Bob is totally out of luck and has only a knife to defend himself with
does the Favored Weapon Penalty go across weapon lines and give him a -4 with the knife or is the penalty group specific?

The penalty is to other weapons covered by that particular skill. A disruptor is counted because it is under Ranged Combat: Energy Weapons, but a slugthrower (Ranged Comabt: Archaic Weapons, IIRC) or a knife (Armed Combat: Simple) wouldn't because they are different skills.

[Doug Burke]

the question also extends to a Weapon Master's Blinding Speed ability
would Blinding Speed stack with Lightning Attack and Responsive?

See my response above.

oh another one can Trait Upgrade be put on an Edge that normally can be upgraded but to upgrade it differently
like Weapon Master gives +3 to a weapon and you can take it again to get another weapon at the same bonus
can you use Trait Upgrade to make one weapon +6 ?

Yes, you can.

[Big-Claw]

thanks : o )

if you Trait UPgrade tho does the upgraded trait come with it
so if you take Trait Upgrade on Dodge lets say, do you have to purchase Dodge again or does Trait Upgrade cover it?

[Tobian]

You have to pay for the trait seperatelly, basically it's to discourage people to do it, as it costs then twice as much!

[InfinityDoctor]

Are you sure Tobian?

The way I read it, it upgrades an existing trait, you don't have to buy the trait again. It doesn't seem to be "right to buy" like Innovative is.

We might need Doug to call this one.

--Andy

[Tobian]

Nope, I'm not sure However I would treat it as such to help stop minmaxing in the system... "Ok, you have +27 to hit someone and 6 extra actions a round.. don't you think you should spend some points on.. skills maybe, like the last time when the bad guy got away by shutting the door, and you couldn't roll high enough to open it"

[Doug Burke]

thanks : o )

if you Trait UPgrade tho does the upgraded trait come with it
so if you take Trait Upgrade on Dodge lets say, do you have to purchase Dodge again or does Trait Upgrade cover it?

Unlike Innovative, Trait Upgrade does not require you to get anything else. By getting Trait Upgrade, you are basically paying for another instance of the edge to be upgraded.

[Doug Burke]

We might need Doug to call this one.

Ask and ye shall receive.

[Tobian]

Hmm seems cheap to me - but then as i said I didn't have the books infront of me.

[Big-Claw]

thanks guys
I'll come back for any other questions I have : o )
I sure am glad I found this place my table top group is like addicted to aruging about what the writer ment lol

[redwood973]

I sure am glad I found this place my table top group is like addicted to aruging about what the writer ment lol.

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