Warp Speeds - Yet Again!

[SIR SIG]

Okay after trying to rationalize the warp chart we have c/o encylopedia and others; with what the writers use and using a pre determined cochrane factor. This is what I have.

Using a speed from the DS9 ep 'Defiant' for the Defiant to go from the Station to the Badlands in 6hrs at warp 7 here's what I get.

* Okay 6hrs@wp7= around 0.4 ly
* By the DS9 canon DW maps then the distance is around 6-12 ly (my measurements 7 ly)
* So basically at warp 7 they want to be doing around 1 ly / 1 hr

So my theory is that what we take for a distance per day is what the writers use per hour.

Many onscreen distances/warps are far to fast for the charts we have.

Now in my example we get a distance of about 10 ly for a 3rd season ep, when the app. 7 ly distance isn't pegged down until late 7th season.

I'll have to try some other figures but it appears to be working out.

eg. The freighter from the Denna/Romulan ep that did 15 ly in under a day.

eg. The Ferengi business man who had to get back to Ferenginar from Ds9 'Profit and Lace' by leaving early the next morning for a business meeting the next day.

eg. 'Chain of Command' where at Wp 8.5 the E-D gets to the Nebula in 1 hr around 5ly away.

And many more.

* It allows DW ships to get to the Core worlds in around 3 days.

* Sisko's 1wk return trip to Earth and back to DS9.

* Worf's 1wk (atmost) return trip to Q'onos back from SB 375

Thus at a high warp around the 9's, app 100 ly a day can be traveled. While Voyager is using a whole different figure app. 2.4 rather then 24.

Comments?

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SIRSIG
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[Phantom]

Yeah, I think my head just imploded.

I don't believe I heard the question.

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In the Praetors Name!

[Captain Blake]

(Scratches head)

While I used to make my students show their work, which you've done admirably SirSig, I'd at least like to see the question.

Are you working on a Chi (space permissivity) factor or a more in depth reworking of the Warp Factor/Lightspeed Multiple chart?

Or something else that I'm missing?

Alex

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[SIR SIG]

He he my plot to unravel the universe is working.

I suppose the question in fact is if 24 is a reasonable chi modifier for warp speed.

And thus lots of examples to sway people to my side with

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[StyroFoam Man]

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[SIR SIG]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by StyroFoam Man:
He ain't kidding folks! He calls himself EVIL_MAP_GENIUS on mIRC!

The only way to defeat him is by randomly changing our sig-lines to pre-1980 song lyrics twice a day. That'll cause his map-sodden brain to explode....



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Styro-Jester-Man strikes again

Who is currently known as Evil-Slug of the Trill on Mirc

Evil goes hand in hand in Trek.

Oh and what say thee on a new warp chart?

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SIRSIG
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[Phoenix]

Ok SIRSIG, we take the warp chart in the 'pedia divide the time/duration by 24 (or multiply the distance by 24) to get what the writers of the series have been using all this time...So do we adjust the physics in regards to the speed of light, or reformulate the warp speed chart along a higher curve (I feel a headache coming on)...

Thats what I got out of this revelation of your's...

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[SIR SIG]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Phoenix:
Ok SIRSIG, we take the warp chart in the 'pedia divide the time/duration by 24 (or multiply the distance by 24) to get what the writers of the series have been using all this time...So do we adjust the physics in regards to the speed of light, or reformulate the warp speed chart along a higher curve (I feel a headache coming on)...

Thats what I got out of this revelation of your's...

</font>

And the answer would be yes!

Oh you want a good answer?

Just up the overall velocity (in light years) of each warp speed ratio.

Still I'd be inclined to keep Warp 1 at 1 x the speed of light if I could.

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SIRSIG
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[Captain Blake]

At one time, SirSig posted a warp speed formula that not only included the standard 10 ^(10/3) factor but also a Chi factor, sort of a subspace permissivity constant.

This Chi factor would explain why "Warp 7" seems to be so much faster or slower depending on the writer and plot involved.

For the life of me, I can't remember the formula, so if you'd care to refresh my memory, Sir, I'd be happy to spend a few minutes looking at it.

Thanks!

Alex

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[Phoenix]

Pulling books out now...quick formula

WF xC new
1 x1 x1 (x1)
2 x10 x15 (x1.5)
3 x39 x78 (x2)
4 x102 x306 (x3)
5 x214 x1284 (x6)
6 x392 x4704 (x12)
7 x656 x15744 (x24)
8 x1024 x49152 ? (x48?)
9 x1516 x145536 ? (x96?)
etc...etc...etc...

Cheep, quick, dirty...

[Phoenix]

Where'd the spaces go?

WF--xC----new(multi)
1---x1----x1 (x1)
2---x10---x15 (x1.5)
3---x39---x78 (x2)
4---x102--x306 (x3)
5---x214--x1284 (x6)
6---x392--x4704 (x12)
7---x656--x15744 (x24)
8---x1024-x49152 (x48?)
9---x1516-x145536 (x96?)
etc...etc...etc...

One last time

[SIR SIG]

Hmmm Phoenix I'm not quite getting that table? What are the relationships between the larger velocities and the multiplier?

Okay I'll dig up the old thread

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SIRSIG
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[SIR SIG]

Okay here's the old link:

http://www.trekrpg.net/Board/ubb/For...ML/000842.html

And the old table:


Warp X = Chi speed in ly (std warp spd) [ly/day] (std ly/day)

Wp 1.00 = 12.93 (1) [0.04] (0.003)
Wp 2.00 = 129.27 (10) [0.35] (0.03)
Wp 3.00 = 504.16 (39) [1.38] (0.11)
Wp 4.00 = 1318.58 (102) [3.61] (0.28)
Wp 5.00 = 2766.43 (214) [7.57] (0.59)
Wp 6.00 = 5067.48 (392) [13.87] (1.07)
Wp 7.00 = 8480.27 (656) [23.22] (1.80)
Wp 8.00 = 13237.49 (1024) [36.24] (2.80)
Wp 9.00 = 19597.69 (1516) [53.66] (4.15)
Wp 9.20 = 21317.02 (1649) [58.36] (4.52)
Wp 9.60 = 24678.10 (1909) [67.57] (5.23)
Wp 9.90 = 39466.86 (3053) [108.05] (8.36)
Wp 9.99 = 102280.31 (7912) [280.03] (21.66)
Wp 9.9999 = 2579190.82 (199516) [7061.44](546.25) {294 ly / hr}

Well since warp 9 can get you 53 ly a day, time distances in the federation become a whole lot more understandable.

Antares (604 ly) at Chi Wp-9 takes 11.25 days

Deneb (3239 ly) Chi Wp-9 takes 60 days

Rigel (772 ly) Chi Wp-9 takes 14.5 days

As well taking DS9-Earth as around 150-200 ly (100 ly radius inner fed perimeter + 50.3 ly from there to Ds9) then 2-4 days becomes realistic. And many allien core worlds (Romulus, Klingon etc.) can be reached within a week if not less.

Additionally, subspace communications works alot better now in real time communication. Even up to 100 ly, communication would still seem fairly instantaneous; especially with booster relays.


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SIRSIG
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[SIR SIG]

Okay instead of using Chi=12.927238 or what other variation of the original 1292.7.

I am now using chi=24 (for ease of use and onscreen refs)

So basically just double the amounts in the table above until I make a new one.

Well trying to use

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[This message has been edited by SIR SIG (edited 06-20-2001).]

[Phoenix]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SIR SIG:
Hmmm Phoenix I'm not quite getting that table? What are the relationships between the larger velocities and the multiplier? </font>

Just doubling the multiplier...like I said...Cheap, quick, and dirty...I only spent mabie a minute on it. The post was suppost to have been more along the lines of a question, not a new chart. Sorry for any confusion.
Now for a new question, Chi Factor? This is lossing me a little.