Fun with Greyscale III

[Captain Blake]

USS Huth Class Cruiser

Okay, I'm just playing around here, making a 'movie-era' shovel just to get an idea on how one might look. Obviously, I strapped it on the Belknap and modified where needed. :>

Not bad. The goofiness of the shovel section combines pretty well with the sled of the Belknap's engineering section.

It sure beats tacking the shovel section onto more normal looking engineering hulls, where it just looks wrong.

Here, both parts look wrong, and that, somehow, almost makes it right.

Alex

[Captain Blake]

USS Bader Class Long Range Scout

From FASA's Feddie Manuals. This is one hell of a scout for the period, though, nearly massing as much as the Connie herself, and just as well armed. Makes me wonder just where the hell they were planning on scouting? The Romulus system?

It's from the same school of thought where the Defiant is an Escort, and the Sovereign is an Explorer, rather than Destroyer and Battleship.

"Here's our strike cruiser, er Scout. Yeah, it's a scout. A really big, heavily armed scout. Deploy it right on the border to look at... that spacial anomaly. Yeah. that's it."

Alex

[The Tatterdemalion King]

USS Huth Class Cruiser

from hell's heart, i spit at thee!

[TFVanguard]

USS Francis Marion Class Scout

Okay, this is FASA's Ranger class, made a smidge bigger and with the components listed on the puppy actually drawn in. Since 'Ranger' conflicts with the official 'Ranger' class, I took the only other named Ranger Class scout and plopped it here.

I'm seriously considering reclassing this as a patrol vessel, though. Way too overpowered and way too cramped to be a scout.

[TFVanguard]

The Gorn ship looks FANTASTIC!

I love how you didn't make it all clunky and stocky looking. Great job! BTW, the warp engines look great too. Different than the Fed warps but still somewhat similar.

Keep up the great work!

To be fair, what I did was take the SFB Gorn engines (this is an SFB Gorn scout), and then added detailing based on FASA's Gorn Scout. It's an odd mix, but the lines and details really broke up the emptiness on the ship.

Glad you guys liked it. she was a nice change from FASA's Feddie SRM1's ships... though I have more to do of THOSE still.

[TFVanguard]

from hell's heart, i spit at thee!

Heee! I wondered how long it would take someone to notice.

[selek]

Color me confused, but I'd thought that while the LN-64 design was a specific engine configuration, the outer nacelles were generally similar. I didn't think that every Movie-era was fitted with the same engine, just similar style nacelles. That confusion not withstanding, you're doing great work.
In attempting to ensure that everything is to scale and that the diagrams accurately reflect the equipment listed, you are a man after my own heart. Thanks for these fruits of genius!

[TFVanguard]

Color me confused, but I'd thought that while the LN-64 design was a specific engine configuration, the outer nacelles were generally similar.

So far as I know, only FASA makes that distinction. Indeed, TNG goes out of its way to describe the LN-64 engines as pretty much identical, and, of course, CODA and ICON both treat them as such. (And, for TOS, FJ specifically listed each class with the same engine).

Since we do see engine types that are different for different ships, such as the USS Grissom, SS Aurora, etc, seems to me that different housings would mean different engines. Add to that that specific components of the engines are VISIBLE in each configuration, and it strikes me that an LN-64 is an LN-64 is an LN-64.

TAS established 'similar engines' like the PB-32S, which is structurally the same, but smaller and with lesser power and 'coil space', effectively. Basically the difference between a V-4 and a V-8 configuration. Same overall tech, but less of it. THAT idea I can see a lot easier than the LN-64 housing for 25 completely different engine designs!

Besides, gives me an excuse to unveil a couple of late 2260's engine housings that way. ^_^

[TFVanguard]

USS Brenton Class Cruiser

Okay, according to the FASA text, this is supposed to be CHEAPER than the Miranda and Connie.... anyone care to explain that to me?

[selek]

Hmmmm,

Discount on the franchise rights? Designer knocked off thirty percent of his commission out of shame? Paying for dead metal as opposed to active systems?
Difference was made up in the kickbacks?

[Phoenix]

Hey TFV,
First:
What happened there in the top view, half-way between the bridge and impulse exhaust? It looks smudged or something.
Now as far as being cheaper than a Miranda and a Constitution, well yeah, those two ships together most likely cost about twice as much as a Brenton Class Really, I never cared for the design though, looks too much like a skipping stone.

Second:
What have you done to my favorite FASA ship the Ranger...umm Francis Marion class. It looks like a kid's toy or something out of BESM.

[TFVanguard]

What happened there in the top view, half-way between the bridge and impulse exhaust? It looks smudged or something.

Odd that I missed that. It's just from adjusting the Miranda's impulse housing to work on the Brenton. I already fixed the graphic on my end, and it'll be up when I put out both the FASA 1st edition guide, and TMP-era guides.

Now as far as being cheaper than a Miranda and a Constitution, well yeah, those two ships together most likely cost about twice as much as a Brenton Class.

Heh, exactly. There's just way too much hull on that puppy to be a 'cheap' cruiser. That second 'sacuer' section is larger than the Connie's secondary hull (and nearly as large as an entire Connie itself!)

What have you done to my favorite FASA ship the Ranger...umm Francis Marion class. It looks like a kid's toy or something out of BESM.

Ranger was a problematic ship, because it had lots and lots of 'stuff' attached to it, but absolutely no way for it work for the size given. I took its basic lines, and added the components that the text SAID it has.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

So far as I know, only FASA makes that distinction. Indeed, TNG goes out of its way to describe the LN-64 engines as pretty much identical, and, of course, CODA and ICON both treat them as such. (And, for TOS, FJ specifically listed each class with the same engine).

Since we do see engine types that are different for different ships, such as the USS Grissom, SS Aurora, etc, seems to me that different housings would mean different engines. Add to that that specific components of the engines are VISIBLE in each configuration, and it strikes me that an LN-64 is an LN-64 is an LN-64.

TAS established 'similar engines' like the PB-32S, which is structurally the same, but smaller and with lesser power and 'coil space', effectively. Basically the difference between a V-4 and a V-8 configuration. Same overall tech, but less of it. THAT idea I can see a lot easier than the LN-64 housing for 25 completely different engine designs!

Besides, gives me an excuse to unveil a couple of late 2260's engine housings that way. ^_^

So... uh... what's a LN-64?

[Identity Crisis]

The LN-64 is the warp nacelle (internal gubbins and exterior casing) used on the Enterprise class heavy cruiser (or Constitution refit if you prefer).

It's a designation from the unofficial Ships of the Star Fleet books but was copied by Starship Spotter, which was in turn copied (under instructions from Paramount) by Decipher in Starships.

For thr purposes of the RPG it refers to any federation warp nacelle with the same performance parameters as the real LN-64 regardless of appearance. But that is a simplification for gaming purposes.

[First of Two]

So... any plans on doing FASA's Andor and/or Thufir? There's an interpretation I'd like to see.