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    Begone, Foul one! You might have started out okay, but you rapidly became a shill and a suit. Then you just became a hack. A Curse upon your mustache!
    A brave little theory, and actually quite coherent for a system of five or seven dimensions -- if only we lived in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix
    Sometimes it's better to have the Devil you know.
    We still have Rick Berman you know, unless you reserve a more heinous title than "Devil" for him.
    Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...

    "My philosophy is 'you don't need me to tell you how to play -- I'll just provide some rules and ideas to use and get out of your way.'"
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    I found this article more depressing to be honest.

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/i...d=33283&type=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ergi
    Somebody please enlighten me. . . . I would like to know specific decisions and events that had clearly negative consequences.
    Well Berman started out great, he is largely respsonsible for turning TNG into what we know and love and gracefully exiting GR out the back door. However starting with DS9 which he had a alot more to do with then is generally acknowldged he showed a persistent conservative bent sticking with tried and true formula instead of radically new inovation in the series(s). Enterprise was a perfect example were the first two seasons tried to be TNG, the third was Voyager, and finally the forth was DS9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric R.
    Well Berman started out great, he is largely respsonsible for turning TNG into what we know and love and gracefully exiting GR out the back door.
    Meh. TNG had a great writing staff, much as TOS had a great writing staff, despite a very mediocre writing skill of the series' executive producer.

    I love Gene Roddenberry for coming up with Star Trek. However, the writers Gene L. Coon, Harlan Ellison, and DC Fontana -- among other talents -- that made the series into something we can watched timelessly, even the dreaded third season.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eric R.
    However starting with DS9 which he had a alot more to do with then is generally acknowldged
    The only acknowledgment I can give Berman credit is for greenlighting the show's production.

    Many of the credits are due to Ira Steven Behr and before that, the late Michael Piller.

    In summary, Berman's a Paramount's stooge. It's the suits that suggested him to Roddenberry, who reluctanctly groomed him as his replacement.
    Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...

    "My philosophy is 'you don't need me to tell you how to play -- I'll just provide some rules and ideas to use and get out of your way.'"
    -- Monte Cook

    "Min/Maxing and munchkinism aren't problems with the game: they're problems with the players."
    -- excerpt from Guardians of Order's Role-Playing Game Manifesto

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    It is under their management that, within under a decades time span, they took a highly profitable franchise to one that no one looking to turn a profit will touch. For all that is left is the loyal die hard fan base. Most everyone else has moved on to the other areas. And unfortunatly, that is not enough to justificy much beyond printed material. And even that, in the case of RPGs, is reduced to Ebooks.

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    Try to put a little rose tinting on that will you please.. that was bloody depressing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobian
    Try to put a little rose tinting on that will you please.. that was bloody depressing
    I am sorry but it's the truth, not six years ago Star Trek rivaled Star Wars in the truest of scales. Now, Star Trek is only a small imprint of a fond memory of the original series in the eye of the general populace. And this is not due to the lack of good writers, or good actors. However, it is due to poor management of both that lead to our current state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JALU3
    For all that is left is the loyal die hard fan base.
    Hmph! Even the loyal fans are losing their patience with the franchise's current administration.
    Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...

    "My philosophy is 'you don't need me to tell you how to play -- I'll just provide some rules and ideas to use and get out of your way.'"
    -- Monte Cook

    "Min/Maxing and munchkinism aren't problems with the game: they're problems with the players."
    -- excerpt from Guardians of Order's Role-Playing Game Manifesto

    A GENERATION KIKAIDA fan

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    Like I've said over at the TrekBBS, I'd rather Berman quit than Braga. At least Braga has had a sense of humor about some of his previous work that ended up not turning out (see the Voyager DVD feature about the episode "Threshold" for example). Berman has always ran foward without ever checking to see the results of what he was doing, leading to some great seasons of Trek, and some not so great, but all done with only the lightest regard for the fans.
    "You have not experienced Shakespeare until you've read it in the original Klingon text."
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    Of course, now that Braga is out of work, his opinion might be different.

    It seems likely that when the powers that be finally settle things out, deciding who owns what and where which responsibility will lie, they will clean house. If they start a series back up, it's likely not to have too many people associated with it from the past, for a number of reasons: (1) perceived failure of the franchise, (2) entirely different people running it means there's no political connections, (3) most people connected with the show's production will have moved on by necessity and likely won't be available.

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