Trek 11 Not Dead?

[Jem'hadar]

Trek 11 Not Dead?
Screenwriter Erik Jendresen told SyFyPortal that his proposed Star Trek: The Beginning, the 11th film in the franchise, is not dead, though Paramount has made no decisions about moving forward with the franchise.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...ory=0&id=35461

The proposed script is for it to be the first part of a trilogy dealing w/ the Earth-Romulan War. But since it will involve all new characters & actors, I wonder if it will have enough mass appeal to do well.

[BouncyCaitian]

this could be very well done if done right...



okay, I'm hopeful. So sue me

[Phoenix]

this could be very well done if done right...



okay, I'm hopeful. So sue me

Get a lawyer
I agree, if done right it might bring Trek back into the main.

[BouncyCaitian]

operational title is bloody awful. "Earth-Romulus War" seems more evocative

[JALU3]

How will this be made to expand the base of the genra? The key test is that it makes the die-hards happy . . . but also attracts the general public . . . otherwise the profits will be dissappointing . . . and the genra will be killed by the Execs in suits.

To say the least, I am cautious.

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I don't want to have a prequel. I'll bet good money that it will not draw the masses back into cinema for a Star Trek movie. I'm not even convinced it'll draw most of the Trekfans still out there in the theaters. And why can't they name a captain character really new. Tiberius, doesn't that ring a bell with you, Jim?

[Nene_Richards]

Look, Enterprise was a prequel and that in the end did not really fly well with the audience didn't it? There are Enterprise fans, I am not bashing saying this, but in the past I have been accused of this:

The show failed. Period. It was a bad show in the Franchise. It never got the ratings it needed or sponsership.

So, why then do they think a prequel with a new crew will be liked after so many people now venomiously hate Enterprise? Right now, more fans hate Enterprise, than they have fans now. I have seen Enterprise fans turn to haters.

Myself? I thought it was a mistake the Phantom Menace of Star Trek shows.


With all the turmoil we are going through in the United States over 9/11 to the Iraq War is an ideal time to do a POST Dominion War Saga.

Prequels are dangerous people complained about what George Lucas did in the Prequels and he created the Star Wars Movies!!!

Now we have Berman & Braga talking Prequel Movie?! Yes, Revenge of the Sith rocked, but that was the Star Wars movie in the Prequels we all waited for. We are not waiting for another Prequel Trek Movie, we want to go on with the Saga the future of the Federation; the future of the Alliance; the danger of the Breen; etc.

Berman & Braga obviously need to be replaced. We need someone with a new vision before talks of Star Trek movies and series are made.

[Lezta]

And why can't they name a captain character really new. Tiberius, doesn't that ring a bell with you, Jim?

I suppose that's the point.

They'll mess this up because it's going to be virtually impossible not to. Enterprise proved that Trek prequels are hard to do because every fan has their own personal 'fanon'.

Just do another TNG film and actually make sure to cash in on Patrick Stewarts popularity this time. And don't release it when a big film like LotR is showing.

[Sea Tyger]

Okay, all I'm reading here is a bunch of fear mongering. A prequel can be done well; if you have a good script, good direction and good actors, it doesn't matter if the film is taking place in 2156 or 2381.

I happen to believe the TNG/DS9 era has played itself out; it's tired, with 21 seasons on TV and four movies behind it.

And while I agree that in the first two seasons Enterprise struggled to stand on its own, it was no different than Seasons 1-2 of TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Seasons 3-4 were much stronger and fan favorites, and the series was heading in the right direction with Manny Coto at the helm. Manny was showing a prequel could work, so don't dismiss a "prequel" out of hand.

Besides, a movie trilogy is more finite and, thusly, can be tighter in its control of canon.

That said, Berman and Braga need to go, regardless of what they do with the franchise next.

[Liquidator Queeg]

Let the franchise rest. Trek needs to go away for three or four or five years. Then work on a new series with all new writing, production and acting talent. We've been bombarded with Trek since DS9-Voyager and there needs to be a period of time to re-energize the franchise and make sure people, other than die-hard fans even give a crap.

LQ

[JALU3]

No matter how much time we give the franchise . . . if the same leadership who ran the franchise remain, the odds of them producing a successful series, let alone a multi-million dollar motion picture, are highly against the franchise.

When we look at the franchise . . . the idea of a new series or movie let us not limit us to one or the other, whether it be pre-quil or post-quil. Let us see what is doing well . . . what would bring in the public . . . and the fandom alike. See how X-men did it . . . they brought in die hard Marvel fans . . . and the general public alike. Maybe we can learn something from that.

Was it the mixture of story and actors? Was it the general knowledge that the public had? What about the story was relateable to the general public, but made the fandom gitty with excitement?

We must be able to see where in our genra we can bring in others who may not be die hard fans . . . we must not be lost in our fandom . . . in a way that would make it foggy for those who are not with us to follow us.

[LUGTrekGM]

All it needs is a good script, good direction, and good actors.

Period.

NO need for it to rest. If it rocks as a film, it does.

How do we know this?

If some other guy or gal writes a great sci fi blockbuster script, people will go see it.

Just because it is a Trek film does not change that fact.

"Sixth Sense" was a great script, great movie. People loved it.

Same writer; "Signs" totally sucked. "The Village" Sucked.
Because both scripts were horrible.

It is all about the script, before anything else.

[Nene_Richards]

Okay, all I'm reading here is a bunch of fear mongering. A prequel can be done well; if you have a good script, good direction and good actors, it doesn't matter if the film is taking place in 2156 or 2381.

I happen to believe the TNG/DS9 era has played itself out; it's tired, with 21 seasons on TV and four movies behind it.

And while I agree that in the first two seasons Enterprise struggled to stand on its own, it was no different than Seasons 1-2 of TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Seasons 3-4 were much stronger and fan favorites, and the series was heading in the right direction with Manny Coto at the helm. Manny was showing a prequel could work, so don't dismiss a "prequel" out of hand.

Besides, a movie trilogy is more finite and, thusly, can be tighter in its control of canon.

That said, Berman and Braga need to go, regardless of what they do with the franchise next.

A PREQUEL CAN BE DONE RIGHT!!!

Sorry, Enterprise showed they can not do it with Trek. Heck even Star Wars had issues and the prequels were done by the ORIGINAL CREATOR!!!

Sorry, I am sure you are an Enterprise fan of some sort saying that, but there is no need for any prequel, another series or dear God this horrible idea for a movie.

It is a stupid idea! The fans are in the majority desenfranchized and the idea of a prequel like that another series or even this movie just shows how Paramount/Viacom are full of a bunch of baboons and do not understand their fan base.

Just because it finally worked for Star Wars does not mean it will work for Star Trek!!! Enterprise proved that point. If they make this sequel it will drop faster than Nemesis.

Before any talk should be about any idea of movie or hiring script writers I do agree what you are saying at the end part:

Get rid of Berman and Braga! Take them out of the Trek loop get someone that can actually do something with the franchize. Then start looking at the ideas of movies and series. They need to be out of it, they fracked scripts they do not like they obviously have proven they have no idea where to take the franchize.

Another thing is this, why the hell does the next movie have to be a prequel?! What is the point? Just because you can? That is what they did in Enterprise and I shouted out at a convention when they announced it with a bunch of other people it was a bad idea.

There is so much where the Star Trek storyline can go in the future and not in the past. I have never been a big fan of the ideas of the Star Trek movies, I will say, yet I have seen everyone in the theater when it was released, except Star Trek: Motion Picture I was too young. Yet I can watch most of them when they are on and own them all, except Nemesis.

Right now, Paramount/Viacom need to bring back the fans, a prequel is not it, getting rid of B&B and bringing in someone good to hold the reigns that is what needs to be done.

And Paramount/Viacom at every Trek convention across the country for a year after the firing of B&B burn an effigy of them at each convention!

[LUGTrekGM]

Nene, Shatner is also writing a Prequel Academy script.

If anyone out in Hollywood has the power and pull, and just basic drive to pull it off, he does. The whole thing revolved around him, ask anyone.

For those of us who want a prequel, the Borg, Voyager, and Enterprise are the basis for What, exactly, in the far future?

Bring back the days of Romulans, and Klingons, and the drama inherent in epic galactic conflict.

[Nene_Richards]

And I care how that Shatner is writing another Trek Script? At least Final Frontier was not as bad as the others, but regardless it is a BAD IDEA.

Bring back the Drama with the Romulans & Klingons... wow rebuilding the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War comes to mind. *scratches head* Hmmm, could that bring old enemies back? Hmmmm...

And they tried that bringing back Romulans and Klingons in that regard it is called the failure Enterprise.

It will not work period.

Trek needs a new direction and the PAST is never the answer. If you think that fine, but I have said for years on this board that prequels don't work and when it is proven right people still want it? Sad, Sad, Sad.

You, LugTrekGM, can hold onto your dream that prequels are good as do all the others that believe that and that is your right. I am not going to dispute that. You have that right, even though I think it is wrong.

I think we have seen it does not work period that Trek is not about this about their past. It is a commentary of where we are and where we are going that is what TOS was about that is what they also did in TNG and what they later did in DS9, when it got better. This is what failed in Voyager and Enterprise.

You want the drama of the old series, but look at how the writing and focus of Trek has fallen away side to gimmick make up, special effects and sexual induandos. Look at the writing talent of TOS; TNG; and DS9, how many of them have moved on to bigger and better things. Then look at Voyager & Enterprise no one really popping out of those shows and never will since the majority of those scripts were written by the two we all agree need to take a hike.

The core issue is not if you think prequel is a good idea and I do not. The core issue is Trek has lost it's way. This is a gimmick movie idea, which we will see Romulans face to face to Crew of this new ship violating again another TOS episode. You can argue it will not happen but it will like Superheroes in movies revealing who they are to everyone.

This prequel movie idea is obviously a B&B brainchild, this is like them to do it. Their hands are not out of they pie yet and that needs to be done period before any talk of movies and/or series is discussed. B&B gone and new talent in place, hopefully someone that knows what the hell they are doing.