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    Harry TurtleDove Timeline 191 wiki

    Also known as the Southern Victory series, this wiki deals with Harry Turtledoves Alternate history of the American Union vs the Confederacy. Rather interesting reading really.

    And horrifiying as I can see some of what is suggested happening all to easily

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Timeline-191
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    and I won't even mention S.M. Sterlings 'Domination' Series. If you really want a Dystopian nightmare that makes '1984' look mild by comparison, read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination
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    I'm a big fan of Turtledove, especially that series. Thanks for that link!
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    My wife gets amused any time a Timeline 191 book comes out - I consume it in a span of less than a week...
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    New one in July or thereabouts apparently
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    Yep, "Settling Accounts: The Grapple." I've got it on order.

    After that should be "Settling Accounts: In at the Death." That should round out WWII... who knows whether he'll go on after that? There's always the Cold War, except there's no Communists in Russia.
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    You know reading over the timeline once again brings up the original problems I have had with the series since it started. I do not buy that British or French intervention would have produced the vehement reaction out of the North that it does in the book. In the end both North and South are English speaking peoples with a common culture and background. A United States would not have allied with an Autocratic Germany no matter what it just is not in the grain and having the war ended in 62 rather then say 64 did not allow the deep bitterness to deveople which we have assciated with the "Lost Cuase" mentality with the south and "bloody rag" with the north. I have always sided with the Idea that the two while opposed at first would have eventually come to mutal ground fought toegther in the world wars and then have reunited sometime in the 1950's or 60's.

    As to Alternative Histories I have always enjoyed the "In The Balance" Series which had an alien invasion of Earth in 1942 as its theme.
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    I wish that Wikipedia had a better timeline for the 1632 series . . . I have always wanted to read it, and never found the time.

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    My SO bought me the first 1632 book a few years ago.

    At first, I wasn't interested because I don't like "time travel" or "sudden magical change" Alt history (Which is why I don't read the "In the Balance" series, or "Guns of the South" - talk about unlikely changes), but once I read it and saw how much care was put into actually getting it right - not everything "uptime" is going to work well and for long in the past, and the sociopolitical dynamics will be a MESS - I really began to appreciate the storytelling, and now I collect those, as well.
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