needs some helps with rumors

[The Tatterdemalion King]

I guess we could say fashion... it was also probably the fashion at the time that no women wanted to be anything other that communications and science officer, I mean who really wants to be a captain, commodore, or other such nonsense.

Trek wasn't that progressive.

Backwards? Maybe, let's see, if you do X we will kill you, because X could be bad for you. There could be a twisted logic there.

...you're still not getting it. Why do you shoot a dog with rabies?

Anyway, the death penalty thing doesn't really mesh with the rest of what we know of the Federation. It might've been that deadly force was authorized when dealing with illusion-entrapped persons, but more likely would be transferrence to Tantalus V or another psychriatric facility.

Anyway, back to Talos...alright, you got two mangled humans, one male and one female, you have high-tech, but not space travel, your race is dying, and you are masters of illusions. In 30 years, what would you have done to try to save your civilization?

Do they want to save the civilisation, or simply provide new sources of illusion? I can't remember...

[Kirk Johnson-Weider]

OK now I am understanding you...kill them to prevent then from causing harm or to put them out of their misery. Interesting. I do agree that sending violators to Tantalus V makes the most sense. As for the death penalty, I agree it is very un-Federation and is a bizarre anomaly in this case.

As for the Talosians, from Memory Alpha: "The Talosians have severely weakened because they haved used their mental powers for so long. They want Captain Pike and Vina as breeding stock for a new, stronger race to repopulate the barren planet surface, which was ravaged by nuclear warfare."

So in 30 years...I would guess they would have been able to use cloning or some method to begin producing a Talosian-Human hybrid species. So for adventure purposes, I guess the new race might want contact with the Federation (their ancestors), or in a worse case scenario whatever nobility the Talosian had may not have transmitted to their children. Taking augment-supermen elements and that could be applied to the Talosian-Humans, except they would be mostly mentally superior and not physically, in fact they would be weaker than humans. Interesting, still not sure how to approach this adventure wise.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

I wonder if the Talosians would own up to their own dependance on illusion to the point where they'd abandon it. What if the hybrids want back in to the underground, into the illusory reality? Would they try to get the Federation to back them up in taking the power for themselves? What would a civil war fought with illusion be like?

The Worlds entry for Talos implies the illusions are the product of psionically-controlled machines... but if the hardwire lies elsewhere, the Talosians themselves may illusions, self-created ones.

[Kirk Johnson-Weider]

Those are some cool ideas...I agree a civil war is a great idea, even better if it is civil war between a human race...an illusionary race...and whoever is behind all the illusions. The human race might very well want the Federation to help, but maybe the illusionary race wants the Federation help to prevent the humans from gaining the power of illusions and taking it beyond their system. That would be a nice twist, the Talosians (illusions) are sentient and free from the source of the illusions and they reject illusions. A very surreal adventure this would be.

Also a war with illusions, I am seeing the various Q episodes where he puts the various crews in alternate-illusionary realities.