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    Simulation

    I have a question.

    When was the last time we did a tactical simulation using spacedock?

    I have heard that in the past there was a Wolf 359 scenario that was played out . . . and the famous defeat of the D'Deredix by the 442nd Aerospace Squadron and the USS Vanguard.

    Why have we not done more of these?

    I read that at the Naval War College they do alot of these simulations to advance the tactical abilities of flag officers . . . would not simulations give those GMs who participate an edge over non-experienced players? . . . would it not help out in designing scenarios to pit your players against?

    For instance . . . what of a Midway type scenario . . . could a fleet of older Starfleet Cruisers and carriers . . . take on a more modern, larger aggressor dominion fleet from taking a significant moon or single planet system?

    Or a Normady scenario . . . how does a fleet of heavy cruisers and transports take on a highy motivated entrenched defense force, with equal technology.

    Or a Battle off Samar scenario . . . can a group of armored transports laddened with a small amount of shuttles and a few runaboutes with their escorts of scouts/frigates hold off a fleet of heavy cruisers and cruisers to provide enough time to hold off the aggressor to decimate the landing fleet?

    Or a Battle of Savo Island scenario . . . can a inferior number of vessels inflict as much, or more damage, to a larger force of similarly capable vessels?

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    I suggest you should start small with any Simulations using Spacedock rules enabeling you to appeal to those who are not familar with Spacedock but are willing to take part in a simulation.

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    Ah . . . finally someone answers. My ideas are not dead yet

    How about we look at a simulation that i heard that they ran at the USNA a while back. In it . . . the objective was to attack a fix, well defended, land facility, for the purpose of softening it up for future attack. The two forces which were modelled was 1) a force of Three Burke class DDGs . . . and 2) a force of six small Freedom Class like vessels attached to a mother ship.

    Thus it proposes are larger, more expensive, mulit-mission designed vessels . . . more economically effective then several smaller vessels with modular attachments aboard ship . . . in completing the same mission

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    How about we look at a simulation that i heard that they ran at the USNA a while back. In it . . . the objective was to attack a fix, well defended, land facility, for the purpose of softening it up for future attack. The two forces which were modelled was 1) a force of Three Burke class DDGs . . . and 2) a force of six small Freedom Class like vessels attached to a mother ship.
    This gives a chance to involve a lot of players. At least on the attacking side.
    The Fixed land faclity of course needs to be a Spacestation.
    Perfect for a DW Scenario i think.
    Do you think it feasible two have both sides beeing played by players or is one side to be played by the "coordinator"

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    For Simulation ideas you guys could also look at some of the old SFB scenario's. One I would like to see is 6 Federation PF's vs. a Klingon Battleship (or Battlecruiser).

    One other one that comes to mind - The infamous 'Kobayashi Maru' test.
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    Also, we can test the many designs that we have created . . . to see how they would work on benchmark test.

    IE . . . time to travel X distance, acceleration, ability to hold itself to certain types of vessels.

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    One other one that comes to mind - The infamous 'Kobayashi Maru' test.
    Taht scenario is probably a sure win for the klingons but why not if we can fudge a bi like Kirk did

    Ok, not really

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    I have been dusting up my old SFB Captains Edition Basic set for inspiration.
    Most of the scenarios contained therein aren't to complex and easily adaptable.

    For visualisation we could create hex field maps that show the results of each round.

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    Then look at real world events . . . real naval battles . . . and translate into possible Star Trek Scenarios.

    How about this . . . you are the Officer of the Watch of the USS Nevada . . . after the initial shock of the attack . . . you must use only low speed impulse engines and manuevering thrusters to make it out of the crowded repair facility area and into open space so you can warp to safety.

    In this scenario it is less about firing back . . . as being able to maneuver around the damaged and listing Federation fleet that is being attacked as well as being able to defensively position yourself from the OPFOR.

    In this case . . . lets say the OPFOR are rough Klingon vessels flying multiple upweaponed, underarmored B'Rels . . . or multiple single time cloaked Hideki class Attack Fighters.

    This scenario is designed around the attempt of the USS Nevada's attempt to make it out to the open ocean during the Attack of Pearl Harbor.

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    Or here's another one . . . unknown to most people the USS Yorktown was sank several days after the initial fighting of the Battle of Midway.

    You are in the command of the COMDESRON 2, CAPT Hoover which consist of the USS Hammann
    USS Anderson
    USS Gwin
    USS Hughes
    USS Morris
    USS Russell
    in addtion the TUG USS Vireo (AT-144).

    The USS Hughes was designated to watch the listing hulk of the USS Yorktown as she sank . . . but discovered survivors . . . as well as the fact that she was salvageable. You have ben given the mission to bring her back to Pearl.

    The USS Vireo is VERY slowly towing her to port, while the USS Hammann is tied up alongside her to provide the Yorktown power, and other necessities to begin salvage operations.

    Unknown to everyone is that the I-168 has been set out to sink the Yorktown and any other vessels of opertunity.

    Your mission is to get her out of range of the unknown threat. Your secondary threat is to sink the threat, if you discover it.

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    I like this Post Midway scenario

    Maybe we could transplant it in to the middle of the Dominion War.
    A small group cruiser or destroyer responds to the distress call of a Galaxy Class explorer or similar valuable ship.
    It turns out the ship is salvagable and SFC has dispatched a Task force to recover the ship. The Cruiser and its escorts are tasked to keep an eye on the ship and start repairs immidiately.
    Until reinforcments arrive the ships are tied up. Towing the Galaxy is only possible at lowest speed.

    Opposition could range from Breen Pirates, to Cardassians to a flight of Jem Hadar fighters ready to sacrifice themselves.

    what shall I say I like it

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    Before my game folded (for good, it seems, my top player's email no longer functions), I was considering a way to create a situation similar to the battle of Thermopylae.

    Certainly a real "Kobayashi Maru" story if ever there was one - a small force holding off a larger evemy force while providing cover for their own side's retreat. Maybe a lone ship running convoy duty vs. a superior force of pirates.

    Probably would have ended up as a "Q"-type scenario. "I just wanted to see if humans still had it in them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by First of Two
    Before my game folded (for good, it seems, my top player's email no longer functions), I was considering a way to create a situation similar to the battle of Thermopylae.

    Certainly a real "Kobayashi Maru" story if ever there was one - a small force holding off a larger evemy force while providing cover for their own side's retreat. Maybe a lone ship running convoy duty vs. a superior force of pirates.

    Probably would have ended up as a "Q"-type scenario. "I just wanted to see if humans still had it in them."
    How can one translate this into a space scenario. What type of spacial terrain can simulate the mountainous peaks and passes terrain which the defending forces used to their advantage?

    I like this Post Midway scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Otto
    Maybe we could transplant it in to the middle of the Dominion War.
    A small group cruiser or destroyer responds to the distress call of a Galaxy Class explorer or similar valuable ship.
    It turns out the ship is salvagable and SFC has dispatched a Task force to recover the ship. The Cruiser and its escorts are tasked to keep an eye on the ship and start repairs immidiately.
    Until reinforcments arrive the ships are tied up. Towing the Galaxy is only possible at lowest speed.

    Opposition could range from Breen Pirates, to Cardassians to a flight of Jem Hadar fighters ready to sacrifice themselves.

    what shall I say I like it
    The enemy would have to be a single low powered enemy that would use stealth to its advantage.

    Therefore it would need a cloak . . . and thus the Second Klingon-Federation war would be a better fitting scenario.

    The main vessel should be a higher but not top notch class vessel. Say an Ambassador or Upgraded Excelsior.

    The escorts should be older frigate/destroyer size 5 at most class vessels. So non-upgraded Miranda's, Sabers . . . and ships of that like would be fitting.

    A simple Merced class transport can serve as the slow speed tug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JALU3
    How can one translate this into a space scenario. What type of spacial terrain can simulate the mountainous peaks and passes terrain which the defending forces used to their advantage?
    Yeah, that's where I got stuck. Maybe a hazardous nebula or region of space like the briar patch.

    If I think about it, some of DS9 was slightly like that, with the Dominion only able to take the "wormhole pass" and DS9's defenses being inferior to Dominion tech and numbers.
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    How about we also design a classic david v goliath scenario such as the Battle of Tassafaronga . . . where a force of fare smaller capability took on and defeated a technically superior force.

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    Therefore it would need a cloak . . . and thus the Second Klingon-Federation war would be a better fitting scenario.
    While true, we should consider the following thoughts as well for this scenario.

    There is the possibility that the Breen employ a cloaking system, or the dominion or cardassians captured a Klingon ship with an intact cloaking system.

    Star Fleet vessels would be in for really nasty surprise because they would never suspect the enemy to employ such an tactic at all.

    The more if there would be a diversion that lures the defenders away from the crippled ship.

    How about we also design a classic david v goliath scenario such as the Battle of Tassafaronga . . . where a force of fare smaller capability took on and defeated a technically superior force.
    Another nice scenario but it would be equally difficult to transplant in to trek (at least at first sight).
    The original success of the Japanese is mainly based on the fact they survived the inital attack with almost no damage. Their retaliation in turn seems to be equally lucky as well.
    I think it would be diffcult to pull this one off with getting similar results, but you never know.

    As for the Thermopylae scenario, i'm at a total loss at the moment.
    Probably inside a really dense asteroid field.... honestly dont know how this can be realistically recreated in space.

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