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    Besides it never hurts to look at the vessels represented in the srms for guidance.
    It prevents everyone for overdoing an design and loosing sight on the proposed profile.

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    Why don't we look at the design criteria of an actual design that is being proposed the the LCS or DD-X . . . maybe that'll assist in developing a criteria

    Furthermore, if we were going escort . . . I would put up my CVL-X Design up for the contest . . . Ver 1.2 of course

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    Coming to mind, part of a contest could be the Improvement of an existing design, like a carrier upgrade for a galaxy Class.

    There is a good point in taking real life military science and designs as guidance as well. The cat and mouse game Kirk played with Khan in the Mutara Nebula was more reminiscent to a classical hunt for a sub than a fast paced space battle.

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    After Omega1967 has posted some nice rules for construction for civilian vessels, a design contest would be the ideal ground to test those rules as well.

    Probably a design like a Tramp Freighter, suitable for a Group of player characters playing a non Starfleet campaign. The much beloved Freetrader in Traveller comes to mind.

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    Just hitting this thread up so i do not forget about my "pet Project"

    I probably start with the first "test Contest" quite soon. Aspiring Designers may look forward for the Proposal of a new Starfleet vessel directly from Star Fleet Command

    So stay tuned....

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    Greetings everyone . . . let me practice necromancy here . . . Why haven't we done this? Because of the general lack of interests with ST? Because it uses the spacedock system?

    Why don't we look at present design in real life or at least contract requests that are out there and look to see how we can emulate it in a Star Trek setting. For instance lets look at the Legand Class National Security Cutter.
    The same tonnage as a Type 23 Royal Navy Frigate, with no where near the capability.
    Lets look at the contract request that was put out by the USCG and look to see how we can modify it for a request for a Intrasystem Defense/Rescue Cutter/Frigate/Corvette.
    A design that would be cost effective to a intraplanetary government body, that would be highly mulit-mission oriented, and could be used by other GMs as a good stand in for what you'd see flying amoungst the planets within Federation Space.
    And what about an "international version" designed around the same concept, but for that all important export market? A little less advanced sub-systems, same mission profile, little more cost effective.

    Or how about the new LCS . . . which is just a glorified, under equiped Frigate . . . we have seen in vessels of similar size how they can be built more cost effective and more capable . . . I am sure that the Federation has its bungles as well . . . and need new designs to pick up the slack.

    How about less common, but more specific vessels. Look at the Artic nation's present programs and needs for icebreakers due to more access to the region, and wider belief in resources. What type of spacial environments would that be similar to . . . maybe the badlands, maybe certain nebulas . . . how would you design a ship for this region of space . . . were it to be assigned for the majority of its service life.
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    Greetings everyone . . . let me practice necromancy here . . . Why haven't we done this? Because of the general lack of interests with ST? Because it uses the spacedock system?

    Well no... i already had the first Contest prepared but wanted to hear Poenix comments as a moderator first. Its been ages since he showed up here and i forgot about it with RL issus rearing their ugly heads constantly.

    I just take a look at my HD if i find my notes...

    I also was not sure about the voting system. I never did any polls so far.
    How is this done?
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    I just dusted of my HD and discovered the proposal i first created over a year ago.
    It is about the creation of a heavy Scout vessel (somewhat of a pocket Explorer)
    Straight from the Basic Book (Orion Class).

    I think i give it a shot right now. Consider the first contest to be a test about how to best conduct a contest like this.
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    A Pocket Explorer makes sense . . . that's why they had the Oberths . . . then replaced by Novas. They were the follow on to the large explorers and did more detailed research of the areas initially explored by the larger ships that came before them. And during wartime they were the forward scouts that could see what was there, and get out of dodge when the actual fighting occured . . . or provide diversionary flanking attacks (ah . . . Cavalry).
    Also, post DW you are looking at a very manpower weak fleet, so smaller vessels would be easier to field then larger vessels. Just because a ship is small doesn't mean that it can't field superior sensors.

    However, I would like the second one to be the NSC/Legand Class contract proposal type vessel.

    As for judging . . . we need people with experience using vessels, who can remain unbiased, be able to put the ships through trails . . . and not want to post their own designs for the proposed contract.

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    However, I would like the second one to be the NSC/Legand Class contract proposal type vessel.
    We'll see how the first contest fares... after that we could use your Proposal for the second one.

    As for judging . . . we need people with experience using vessels, who can remain unbiased, be able to put the ships through trails . . . and not want to post their own designs for the proposed contract.
    This is going to be difficult... There is a good chance that the same group of people who got the experience to serve as judges are also most likely the ones that design the ships as well at least initially. Hopefully the Contests pick up steam and more people post their designs.
    For myself I'm itching to submit a design of my own as well but since i receive all submissions in the First place i keep my ideas to myself to avoid being accused of "stealing" from other peoples designs an not participate in this contest Probably we find someone to collect the submissions who is not interested in participating.

    Also we could try to revive the iced Spacedock Simulations Forum (so everyone could at least witness new designs in "live" situations.
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    I would be willing to be an impartial judge. Also we may also need to link this on other boards, to see if we can get more design submissions.

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    The problem with impartial Judges is that their decision is in private and since the vessels are intended to be for all people everyone who considers using these vessels is going to have at least some familiarity with the rules. Voting or judging for anyone else is pretty pointless. If all submissions are presented anonymous a simple poll could eradicate our "judge" problem.
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    I was thinking that all people who post prototypes to the contract request are posted in the other thread. Then a group, or a single, impartial judge who did not submit takes the prototypes inspects them for worthiness for the contract based on the contract request guidelines, run them through simulations . . . and then they put out a press release stating who won the contract.

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