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    (Oh, BTW, mactavish, Proxima Centauri is the distant third star of the Alpha Centauri ternary system, not the other way around.)
    Thanks, Owen. I only taught the solar system when I was in the classroom, never distant stars.

    As for the founding of the Federation, I must be thinking of the Starfleet Technical Manual. I think I bought that in the early 1980's when I was still a lad, but I specifically remember the mention of five races. Of course, that could also be from my exposure to the ICON Trek material, which states the founding races were human, Andorian, Centauran, Tellarite and Vulcan.

    As TTK wrote, however, Enterprise clearly showed four representatives and not five. That indicates to me that, while there may have been more than just the four homeworlds uniting under the UFP, there were only four races that founded the Federation. That suggests to me that Martians, Vegans, Centaurans, and whichever other humans claim membership in the UFP, only Earth is a founding member (even if Mars, Vega and Alpha Centauri signed up on Earth's coattails as "colonies" or some such).

    The Coalition of Planets was, as written earlier, most likely a trade and information-exchanging alliance between Earth, Andoria, Coridan, Denobula, Tellar and Vulcan as "first tier" members, with the six species' colony worlds attached as peripheral members or perhaps just colonial holdings. I'd also guess that this is probably one of the reasons that this alliance eventually failed: some of the colonies wanted equal representation in the coalition and some (or all) of the homeworld declined. This could also explain why the Denobulans pulled out and were not among the founders of the Federation.

    I find it amusing that Earth might have declined to offer its colonies independence given American (and much of European) history regarding colonies and protectorates and such. Perhaps a condition of the foundation of the UFP was a Colonial Administration that aided colonies in becoming full members over a period of time, in much the same way that new worlds are admitted to the Federation after a lengthy screening process. In that way, perhaps Alpha Centauri WAS a founding member of the UFP, even if Centaurans are nothing more than humans born in the Alpha Centauri system.

    One poster wrote that Coridan likely stayed out of the UFP initially because of an incident described in one of the Star Trek novels (which I won't post here for fear of ruining the surprise!), but I can't rightly explain why Denobula stayed out. Maybe the idea of joining an organization so soon after humanity's war with Romulus spooked them and, given their own experiences with war, led to their decision to remain a friendly neutral or an allied power to the Federation.

    mactavish out.
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    Apparently I missed one of the Coalition of Planets members: Rigel.

    That means that the Coalition of Planets - formed in 2155 - included:

    • Andoria
    • Coridan
    • Denobula
    • Earth
    • Rigel
    • Tellar
    • Vulcan


    Apparently there was a non-canon novel - The Good That Men Do - in which Coridan, which was described as a resource-rich and technically-advanced world, was the victim of a heinous attack aimed at preventing it's entry into the Coalition (and, eventually, the United Federation of Planets).

    While I've not read the book, apparently it also explained why the Coridanites appeared human in "Shadows of P'Jem" and crustaceans in "Demons" (i.e. Coridanite ambassadors wear an ornate mask/headdress made from some sort of lobster-like creature... tasty!).

    Didn't mean to leave off the Rigelians... I just didn't realize they were there, too.

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    There were also lizard-looking dudes with catfish whiskers (re-uses of the xindi reptilians) and coto wanted to have the short gold dudes from 'journey to babel' there too...
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    Five months since I looked at this thread... hmm...

    What impact do you suppose a planetary coalition of this nature would have on the region? That is to say, how would the Klingons react? The Suliban? The various other friendly, neutral, and threat races and organizations seen during the Star Trek: Enterprise era?

    The Klingons would probably be really irritated at the prospect of a multi-species group of this nature, particularly if said group was sharing technologies, tactical information, commercial interests, and so on.

    The Romulans? Well, I think it's pretty clear that they were unhappy at the prospect. They worked to disrupt all attempts to bring Vulcan, Andoria and Tellar into the fold. They even sent a pair of continuity-disrupting holo-ships to cause problems. No doubt that the Romulan Senate would take a dim view of their misguided Vulcan cousins hopping into bed with humans and other aliens.

    As for the rest, I'm really not sure. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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    The a lizardy dude was also present at the coalition negotiations.
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    What lizardy dude? Are you talking about the Coridanites? They had goofy looking masks on. I don't remember any lizard people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactavish View Post
    What lizardy dude? Are you talking about the Coridanites? They had goofy looking masks on. I don't remember any lizard people.

    mactavish out.
    No, the lizardy dude sitting next to the Rigelians. It's a reuse of the Repto-Xindi makeup with catfish tendrils added.
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    I am very excited! It seems as though I might finally be able to run this Series!

    Pursuant to the launch of said Series, does anyone have some ICON statistics for the Enterprise-era Klingon, Romulan, Andorian and Vulcan ships that we saw on the show?

    I have scoured both the ICON Planets of the Federation sourcebook and the CODA Worlds sourcebook for information about Andoria, Earth, Tellar, Vulcan, Romulus and Remus, Coridan, Qo'nos, and the various worlds of the Rigel star system. There [obviously] isn't much canon material about the Xindi or the Delphic Expanse, but I have copious notes (from the four or five years of watching and re-watiching Enterprise as I've prepared to launch this Series), so it shouldn't be an issue.

    What I am really in need of is information about the various species' vessels, so anything that you guys have on your hard drives, CD-ROMs, and so forth would be most definitely appreciated.

    mactavish out.
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    Owen's Memory ICON has vol. I and II of the fan made Enterprise Sourcebook.
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