Franz Joseph ?

[tonyg]

Cool, I wish RPGs used a similar format. Helps big time when somone spills thier drink.

[DaveTalley]

well for my warhammer rules I simply cut the book up and used a large 3ring binder and page protectors
Dave

[Constance William]

It is to my understanding & research knowledge that Franz Joseph was the first
to get a manual out on Star Trek uniforms,
ship blueprints,weapons, computer consoles,
etc. And that FASA were a group of people
who wouldn't wait for the manual to come out and decided to jump the gun and come up with all kinds of stuff that wasn't even approved of. FASA ship registry and the stardate of
when various starships were built doesn't even coincide with Franz Joseph
stuff. To this day, I don't know how so
much of FASA's stuff has gotten into the new Star Trek books that were compiled, as if it were correct info and or data. I don't feel it's respecting or right that FASA's stuff has bulldozed over Franz Joseph original works for Star Trek and how so many have
followed unofficial Star Trek info.

[Identity Crisis]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Constance William:
It is to my understanding & research knowledge that Franz Joseph was the first
to get a manual out on Star Trek uniforms,
ship blueprints,weapons, computer consoles,
etc.</font>

First he produced a set of deckplans for the Constitution class, then he produced a Technical Manual. This was back in 1975.
Bits of the Tech Manual and deckplans were used in TMP and TWoK, but after than FJ fell out with Gene Rodenberry over a number of issues (mostly non-payment) and so GR invented his rules of starship design to invalidate all FJ's designs.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And that FASA were a group of people who wouldn't wait for the manual to come out and decided to jump the gun and come up with all kinds of stuff that wasn't even approved of.</font>

Um, no. FASA was a games company, just like LUG. And in 1983 they released an authorised and licensed role playing game, just like LUG did some 15 years later. FASA did not use anything from the FJ works for a number of reasons.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> FASA ship registry and the stardate of when various starships were built doesn't even coincide with Franz Joseph
stuff.</font>

There isn't really much overlap. The only ship class in common was the Constitution and FJ only gave a TOS style stardate for when it was authorised. As TOS style stardates make no sense FASA used a different system that they called reference stardates. The main difference is that FASA used Greg Jein's list of Consitrution class vessel names and registries, also published in 1975 instead of FJ's.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">To this day, I don't know how so
much of FASA's stuff has gotten into the new Star Trek books that were compiled, as if it were correct info and or data.</font>

In the 80s there was no Star Trek Encyclopedia so novel authors tended to use FASA books for reference. The 'offucial' Paramount publications of the 90s used Greg Jein's Constitution class names and registries and so seemed to be using FASA's list. But remember by this time FJ's work was frowned upon because of his falling out with GR.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I don't feel it's respecting or right that FASA's stuff has bulldozed over Franz Joseph original works for Star Trek and how so many have followed unofficial Star Trek info.</font>

FASA and FJ's work are both licensed by Paramount. Neither is more 'official' than the other. And both have very, very little representation in the official works of the past few years, and in recent licensed works, such as LUG's games. But both are fondly thought of by more broad minded fans, who not being bound by legal contracts can use whatever they like in their games, fan fictions, web sites, etc. without pissing off Paramount.

[tonyg]

Uh Constance,

None of the FJ stuff is offical. FJ made up a lot of things like it own maps for the Federation and such. Essentially FJ 'bulldozered" STar Trek.

FASA just produced an RPG based on Star Trek. What happened with FASA is sort of ironic and only goes to show you what happens when you give the public what it wants.
When FASA first relased thier RPG, they refrained from published more details on the Star Trek setting, such as maps of the Federation, various ship classes, or even an explaintion of the Stardating system. The designers felt that since there was no "offical" answers to stuff like that, they didn't want to publish something that they knew would be wrong.
Unfortuanely, many fans wanted things like defnitive maps and timelines, so when FASA printed a second edtion of the RPG they began to include lots of material to cover it. THis wasn't a big deal, since ST was pretty much a dead product as far as Paramount was concerned. The irony is that FASA didn't want to do the maps, but did so per customer request-then they got flank for doing so! LUG had the same thing happen with thier maps.


Once ST:TWOK revitalized the franchise, Pramount slowly changed it's outlook on Trek. But even today, the only things that are considered to "happen" in Trek are those events shown on screen. All of the novels, comics, and such as all "non-cannon".

[SIR SIG]

FJ's maps were semi-official and using current stellar data at the time to boot

Plus FASA used and even took direct copies from FJ's maps!!!

It wasn't until abit later that they made their own map; heavily influenced by FJ's.

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More then meets the eye,
His a MapMaker in disguise.

[spyone]

Also, FASA did explain the Stardate system.
According to FASA (Cadet's Orientation Sourcebook, page 3), January 1, 2000 was the date the Science Council of Luna declared its independance, and became the Reference Stardate 0/0001.01
The number before the slash is how many hundreds of years have elapsed. The first two digits past the slash are the last two digits of the year, and the next two digits are the month. Numbers past the decimal appear to indicate day.
So, when FASA gives the date of the founding of the Federation as Stardate 0/8706.06, they mean it happened on June 6, 2087. And when they say the Constitution Class entered service 1/8801.04, that's January 4, 2188.

To convert FASA dates to modern canon, add 57 years to most dates (basicly any after the Enterprise entered service).

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[Karg]

An interesting note on the Tech Manual

Look at the Intro Page (I believe it's a "letter" from Norad) Stateing that;

"the info you are about to read is the Declasified hardcopy material recieved from an aparent time warp form the 23rd century"

or something like that

Karg

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