ST:E Pilot Episode

[JALU3]

And it has began . . . another Star Trek Series . . . however, rather then moving along in the past we go back to the past. Before Kirk, Before Pike, "where it all began". It has just finished 16 minutes ago here in California.

I am not going to state my opinion on this new series as of yet . . . however I am creating this string in order for us all to share our thoughts on this new endevour. Let us all see what everyone else thinks ;-)

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"Your job is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."
-Patton

"Like my father said, never start a fight, but always be sure to finish it."

-CAPT Sheridon, B5

"Know you enemy and know yourself and you will be victorious."

-CMDR Riker quoting The Art of War

[Re'k]

I liked the show. I'm glad I recorded it, and I plan to continue watching and recording Star Trek: Enterprise.

30,000,000 km/s. Archer comments that they're going this fast once the Enterprise gets up to speed. So I did some math...
--> it looks like they're using the TNG warp scale and not the TOS scale. 30 million km/s comes out to about 4.0 in TNG, and 4.75-ish in TOS. But since everyone is amazed that the ship might make it up as high as 4.5...
--> 30 milliion km/s is something in the neighbourhood of 108 times the speed of light. At that rate it would take over three days (just over 80 hours, actually) to cross a single light-year. Someone tells Archer that it'll take 80 hours to get to the Klingon homeworld... wow, Q'onos is a lot closer to Earth than I thought!!

Other comments:
--> The goo scene was unncecessary. It wasn't entirely unwelcome, mind you but it felt un-Trek. Then again, this is being broadcast by the people who brought you WWF-Trek (ST:VOY 232 "Tsunkatse")
--> Archer gets shot in the leg. His comment: "Gaa." Not "GYAAAAAH!", but just "Gaa." I'd think getting shot in the leg would hurt, but he gave the response I'd give if I stubbed my toe. Aside from that single line, Bakula (and everyone) did a good job.
--> Ignoring the fact that it's an Akira with the nacelles reversed, I like the NX-01. The corridors look older than TNG without looking like they were designed in the 60's, and there's not a touch screen in sight. I really like the fact that they found good ways to make the tech seem less advanced. I expected that we'd be seeing an entire show of "the ___ is malfunctioning again" or "nobody trusts the newfangled transporter". I thought the short scene where the helmsman finds a zero-G point within the Enterprise was great. Artificial gravity is new, expensive, and apparently doesn't cover the entire ship perfectly. Bravo!

THE WORST PART: If you've watched Galaxy Quest, you've seen the Enterprise preview. Think about it. You can draw direct links between the characters (even Guy!), and while the master plot was different, there were so many similar scenes it was unreal. About the only major Galaxy Quest scene missing was the mock fight between the captain and first officer, but I fully expect this to be resolved by the end of ST:ENT season one.

THE BEST PART: It looks to me like they're going to have a long running story arc involving this "temporal civil war". Not thrilled that it's most likely going to involve time travel soon and often, but I'm glad that there will be a major story arc. It was the best thing about Babylon 5, it was the best thing about the Dominion War saga in DS9, and with any luck, it'll be one of the best things about ST:Enterprise.

[Captain Zymmer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Re'k:
I liked the show. I'm glad I recorded it, and I plan to continue watching and recording Star Trek: Enterprise.</font>

I agree whole heartedly Excellent first outing for the new franchise

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Other comments:
--> The goo scene was unncecessary. It wasn't entirely unwelcome, mind you but it felt un-Trek. Then again, this is being broadcast by the people who brought you WWF-Trek (ST:VOY 232 "Tsunkatse")</font>

NOt all of it, just the blatant sexuality shots, they were a tad excessive.

And hey I like Tsunkatse... :P

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">THE WORST PART: If you've watched Galaxy Quest, you've seen the Enterprise preview. Think about it. You can draw direct links between the characters (even Guy!), and while the master plot was different, there were so many similar scenes it was unreal. About the only major Galaxy Quest scene missing was the mock fight between the captain and first officer, but I fully expect this to be resolved by the end of ST:ENT season one. </font>

Interesting analogy, but I don't agree %100

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">THE BEST PART: It looks to me like they're going to have a long running story arc involving this "temporal civil war". Not thrilled that it's most likely going to involve time travel soon and often, but I'm glad that there will be a major story arc. It was the best thing about Babylon 5, it was the best thing about the Dominion War saga in DS9, and with any luck, it'll be one of the best things about ST:Enterprise.</font>

Cold war, not Civil war, but that is nitpicking on my part.

Overall I think I agree with the person who said the mystery figure seemed Romulan...but maybe I was influenced by the comments when I watched it.

My biggest complaint was that UPN in my neck of the woods kept losing Digital Resolution, so as such I lost bits and pieces here and there...gonna have to retape it on Saturday when it plays on SPACE. Hopefully their buffers will be up to the task...

But man this makes me want to play in this era.

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[Bill Harris]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Re'k:
30,000,000 km/s. Archer comments that they're going this fast once the Enterprise gets up to speed. So I did some math...
--> it looks like they're using the TNG warp scale and not the TOS scale. 30 million km/s comes out to about 4.0 in TNG, and 4.75-ish in TOS. But since everyone is amazed that the ship might make it up as high as 4.5...
--> 30 milliion km/s is something in the neighbourhood of 108 times the speed of light. </font>

No, it exactly 100.06 times the speed of light, using the definition for the speed of light in the 2000 edition of the Astronomical Almanac.

Checking the numbers myself, it looks very like the TOS scale. Using that system, Warp 4.5 calculates out as 91.125c, or 27,318,546 km/s. Not quite as fast as Archer said, but he might have been just rounding to the nearest whole number.

[mike]

I liked it overall but like was mentioned think the "detox-gel" shots were too much. Can't they use radiation or something or just shower - SEPERATLY.

Also I have a hard time with the fact that the Enterprise made first contact with the Klingons and yet it was never mentioned in the other series. B&B at their worst again. I liked the idea of having another ship make first contact.

Bakula was actually pretty good. I thought I'd hate him but I rather liked him in the end. Overall I'd give it a B+. I liked the pilot and the engineer as well. I dont know about the Vulan so much. It seems if at times she does show emotion rather than the restraint of Spock and Tuvock.

I taped it as well and will continue watching it. I'm looking forward to next week.


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"Only Nixon can go to China" Spock

[Jonathan Talbot]

Okay, 1st let me eat soem crow... season with salt and pepper, uhmmmm... goes down a little tough but alright.
I enjoyed it, it looks like the De-tox scenes will be few and far between. As they are for serious infections or diseases, so no worries there. As far as the Mystery villian, I would say Romulan also.

I liked it, may it last as long as the others did.

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"First Away Team Mission... Beaming down to a Hostile Planet... Captain Kirk is leading the Away Team... I am wearing a red shirt... No Fear!!! Unknown Crew Member

[tonyg]

Overall, I though the new series show promise. THere are somethings I didn't care for (the Akira-prise, phase-pistols, the "disaterous" first contact with the Klingons not being that disaterous, going to Rigel without showing any Riggillians or Orions). There were alos some nice surprises (an engineer who actual says what most have been thinking over the past trek series, Dr. Phox-who I thought I wasn't going to like).

Only the future will tell.

[Liquidator Queeg]

First Impressions...

Decent story. Seemed to drag a bit in places (wandering about on Rigel X, still more wandering about by Archer on the "Mag" ship, for example), but overall it was pretty cool and flowed well.

Characters were interesting (I loved the doctor and Bakula was great as Archer!) and I thought the acting was good, except for the language specialist (I forget her name)--her character seemed really forced. She sure learned to understand Klingon really fast though!

Speaking of Klingons, I kinda dig the fact that they showed up in the first episode with ridges. Also, established canon aside, I don't mind that this Enterprise crew went to QoNos. Others' mileage may vary.

Cheesecake "detox" scene. Oh my! I see why Quark was a fan of the Vulcan Love Slave holo series. Careful, T'Pal (sp?), those could put someone's eye out!

The ship itself, though appearing like an morphed Akira on the outside (which is a bit of a stretch to say the least), had great interior sets. No complaints from me about that. Very nice.

Anyway, those are my first impressions. I was pleased with the show and it was better than I had anticipated. I'm going to keep watching it for sure.

Steve

[Phoenix]

I still think thay should have used Andorians, not Klingons for a warrior species to visit...would have made more sense from a canon point of view IMO. The doctor...eh...not that hot on his character, if he's kept he'll really need some character work...he's too...I don't know...herbal, too new age, and just a little shallow as far as a reoccuring role.

Over all I liked it, I'm going to base my whole opinion on a single episode, though.

Oh SIRSIG time to re-evaluate you warp-chi charts and maps...80 hours from Sol to Q'onos at warp 4.5? The Vulcans must have real good maps!

Phoenix...

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The more you disapprove,
The more fun it is for me.

[DaveTalley]

I loved it
it has the right feel for a prequle series, they are being completely normal humans
ie headstrong, ignorant, and oblivious :-)

I honestly think this series will go far
Dave

[Aldaron]

I am now officially crying my eyes out...

*SOB!*

God only knows when we're going to get STE down here...*sigh*

Tell me one thing: was that script accurate?
I've read it, and really enjoyed it, but I could help but wonder if it was a fake or not - from what people are saying, though (the Suliban, the trip to Rigel, etc), it sounds like it was the real McCoy.

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"Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it is our destiny to return home..."

[DaveTalley]

it was very close to the script we saw here, little bits were edited out apparently

but possible canon issues aside, I really liked it , its a nice beginning
Dave

[Cochrane]

I hope Broken Bow covers more time than the average 2 weeks per episode, because most of the time should be spent between systems. But if I'm going to say that, they shouldn't have been to Rigel or Qonos.

I like the temporal cold war. I have no problem whatsoever with the frequency of time travel in Trek. I don't even have a problem with it used as an excuse for straying from canon. When I saw the future guy I was thinking Vulcan, but Romulan makes more sense. I was hoping it would be Braxton or maybe Janeway. Or maybe the Tox Utat aliens! I wonder, do you think the E E's involvement in FC had any effect?

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[Calcoran]

Aldaron: There is one thing though, it this is any comfort: Whatever the time you get Enterprise, it'll still be years ... heck, decades even, before we in France have a chance to get our eyes on it . About 3 years afer Germans get it AFAIR.

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[mactavish]

Well, I didn't think that it sucked... I guess that's something.

Seeing Scott Bakula as the captain of the first Starfleet vessel (hmm...) didn't particularly impress me. I likde Bakula in Quantum Leap and American Beauty, but I am not really a fan.

I must say that Jolene Blalock is very attractive and makes a halfway decent Vulcan, but the rest of the Vulcans were terrible, particularly Gary Graham (from the mediocre Alien Nation TV series) as the "testy Vulcan ambassador."

I am eager to see more aliens, particularly the Andorians, Tellarites, and other TOS-era Federation members.

And speaking of that, didn't the Federation precede Starfleet? If there's not United Federation of Planets, how is there a Starfleet? (Or is it Earth's starfleet?)

I didn't like the Suliban. I didn't like the neo-typical Star Trek tradition of immediately introducing time travel and temporal anomalies and so on. By the way, I am betting that the temporal menace is made up of Braxton and his cronies as introduced in Voyager. That's just a guess, however.

I always considered the Klingons less advanced than humanity, yet they seem to have had warp capabilities for some time (seeing as how Klang made it all the way to Earth flying solo in a warp capable vessel).

I DID like the anachronistic look of the equipment... very submarine in some ways, particularly the whole warp core assembly. I also like the tactile interfaces: knobs, switches, sliders, etc. I also liked the uniforms, particularly T'pel's (and not because of the tight fit).

I certainly couldn't care less about the original Star Trek (other than the fact that it spawned some decent movies, TNG, DS9, and - in some cases - Voyager), but even I am irritated that Braga and Berman seem to have tossed Roddenberry's canonical material right out the window. Where's the references to Khan? That seemed pretty important in the grand scheme of things.

My feelings are luke warm, though I did record it on TiVo and will watch it again to try and warm up to it a bit... particularly since it seems likely to be the only semi-Trek material I'll be seeing for a while.

Or not.

mactavish out.