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    The Silmarillion Infinities! HELP!

    So I have this really extensive story for a The Silmarillion Infinities, but I'm sorta stuck from where to go. I'll post the timeline. Bear with me, it's really long. Any help is appreciated!

    In the First Age of Melkor's Bondage 1100-1200
    The Valar summon the three Elf tribes (Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri) to live with them in Aman. Each tribe has inherent traits of its own.
    1102 Ingw, Finw and Elw come to Valinor as Quendi ambassadors. A yearning begins as they behold the Light of the Two Trees. They return and counsel the Eldar to go to the Land of Aman.
    1130 Esteloth of the Teleri meets and marries Salmar the Maia in Beleriand. They found Falas.
    1133 The Elves arrive in Aman.
    1140 The city of Tirion is full wrought. The Tower of Ingw is built.
    1142 Yavanna gives to the Noldor the White tree Galathilion which was an image of the tree Telperion
    1150 Ulmo takes all the Teleri who would follow Olw and Elw on Eressea and, with the aid and some pleading by Oss; they fasten the island in the bay of Eldamar within sight of Aman. Here they can see the Light of the Two Trees as it passes through the cleft in the Pelori Mountains. Calaciryan - The Pass of Light. The Teleri that remain in Middle-Earth stay on the coast of West Beleriand (Falas). They become the first mariners on the earth and the first ship-builders. Cirdan is their Lord and their havens are at Brithombar and Eglarest. They become known as the Falathrim. (Sindarin - Coast-people)
    1162 Elw, Lord of the Teleri, with Finw's aid and that of the Noldor, begins the building of Alqualond, the Swanhaven, upon the coast of Eldamar while Olw instead resides on Eresse.
    1165 The last of the Vanyar leave Tirion for Valinor. The Noldor dwell alone and converse thereafter with the Teleri.
    1179 Fanor is born there. His mother Miriel dies of his birth. Fanor's father, Finw, King of the Noldor, marries again, his second wife being Indis of the Vanyar. Rumil devises the Letters and begins recording Eldar writings, songs, etc.
    1186 Finw and Indis first child, Findis, is born.
    1190 Finw & Indis' first son Fingolfin is born.
    1192 Finrufin is born.
    1194 Irim Faniel is born
    1200 Vanyalte, daughter of Thingol and Melian is born, Luthien is born to Esteloth and Salmar.

    In the Second Age of Melkor's Bondage 1200-1300
    Fanor marries Nerdanel of the Noldor. Their seven sons are born. She is called the wise. For a time, Nerdanel is able to curb Fanor's fiery nature. Findis, Fingolfin, Finrufin, Irim, Finvain and Finarfin marry. Each has several sons and daughters.
    1211 Finvain is born
    1230 Finarfin, Finw & Indis' third son, and final child, is born.
    1250 The descendants of Aul's Dwarves come to the Ered Luin Mountains and found Nogrod and Belegost. Fanor improves on Rumil's letters (Tengwar)
    1280 Finarfin weds Elw's daughter Vanyalte.
    1300 With Salmars guidance, dwarves and elves build Osterlin, Nargothrond, and Menegroth of the Thousand Caves for the Elves protection. Turgon and Finrod are born.

    In the Third Age of Melkor's Bondage 1300-1400
    Wolves, Orcs, and other evil creatures roam in Beleriand. Osterlin is fortified against them.
    1330 The first of the Orcs are encountered in Beleriand.
    1350 Denethor and a host of elves called the Nandor cross the mountains and reside near Ossiriand - The Land of Seven (rivers). Esteloth welcomes them as lost kindred. They are called the Green-elves because their garb bears the colors of leaves, and are invited to live in Doriath.
    1362 Galadriel is born.
    1400 Melkor is unchained. He precipitates quarrels between Fanor and Fingolfin by whispering lies about both.
    1450 Fanor fashions the three Silmarils, each enclosing the Lights of the Two Trees. Varda hallows the Silmarils, so that no mortal flesh or any evil or unclean thing might touch them, but will be scorched and burned with unending pain. Fanor has further quarrels with Fingolfin. Fanor draws his sword on Fingolfin and threatens him
    1490 Mandos banishes him for twelve years from the Noldor city of Tirion. Fanor builds a stronghold of his own at Formenos, north of Tirion, where he is joined by his seven sons and by his father, Finw. Nerdanel chooses not to follow her spouse but abides with Indis instead. Melkor (now called Morgoth, the Black Enemy) is sought by the Valar as the chief begetter of the quarrels but flees, apparently northward.
    1492 Morgoth circles back to southern Aman and makes a pact with Ungoliant.
    1495 Jointly they kill the Two Trees. On their flight back to Middle-earth Morgoth kills Finw and steals the Silmarils at Formenos, Fanor being absent, by command, at a feast of the Valar. They ask Fanor to restore to Yavanna the Light of the Two Trees by breaking open the Silmarils. He answers neither aye nor nay. Hearing of the tragedy at Formenos, Fanor rushes back to Tirion. Morgoth escapes from Ungoliant on Middle-earth. He rebuilds Angband mustering Orcs and Balrogs. It is located 150 leagues north of the bridge of Menegroth. He raises the three-fold peaks of Thangorodrim
    1495-1500 Fanor incites the Noldor in Tirion to pursue Morgoth to Middle-earth both to avenge King Finw and to recover the Silmarils. Fanor and his sons all swear the Oath "that none should take" to kill anyone who keeps a Silmaril from them. He disregards a warning from Manw not to leave Valinor. He incites Olw and other Teleri to follow him and return to Middle-Earth. The Great-Battle of the Kindreds follows for the main host of the Teleri refuse Fanor the use of their ships and he begins to take them by force. Mandos curses Fanor and all the Noldor and Teleri who follow him. Galadriel, having fought on the side of her mothers kin, seeks vengeance upon Fanor and takes her spouse, Celeborns, ship to Middle-Eartha and comes under the Ban of the Valar. Fanor steals the Telerin ships to transport to Middle-earth those Noldor most loyal to him; lands at the Firth of Drengist, burns the ships, abandoning Fingolfin and the main Noldor host in Araman and accidentally slaying his son Amras; encamps with his followers on the shore of Lake Mithrim. He repulses and shatters an Orc army secretly sent by Morgoth. Pursuing its remnants to Ard-galen, Fanor is overtaken by Galadriel (who arrived before him) and puts him into a coma. She and Celeborn help transport the women and children to Middle-Earth.

    Morgoth hurls two Orc armies against Beleriand, one to the east, one to the west. Salmars Elves rout the army with the help of Green-elves and Dwarves. This victory is won before any of the Noldor land in Beleriand. Dagor-nuin-Giliath, Battle under the Stars - it is so called because neither Moon nor Sun has yet risen, although the Valar are preparing both. Expecting the imminent birth of Men, the Second Children of Iluvatar, the Valar resolve to guard them against Morgoth's darkness by lighting all of Ea with a Moon and a Sun. The Moon (a radiant silver flower of Telperion transparently encased by Aul (and guided by the Maia Tilion)) being ready first, Varda sends it up into the sky from the Pelori mountains in Valinor. So it seems to rise first in the west, but its assigned course is to pass under E and make its rising in the east. At the Moon's first appearance Fingolfin and his host, safe at last from their crossing of the Helcarax, set foot on Middle-earth. They greet it with silver trumpets.

    The Solar Years
    Seven days later the Sun (one golden fruit from Laurelin and guided by the Maia Arien) rises similarly above the Pelori, but is designed to circle under Ea and bring morning to the east.
    1-4 According to the Sun's coming and going begins the Count of Time on Middle-earth, its first rising being the first day of the first Year of the Sun. Its Years are "swifter and briefer than the long Years of the Trees in Valinor". On the day of its first rising Fingolfin and his host march into Mithrim, saluting it with horns and banners. On the same day the race of Men awake in Hildorien. Morgoth immediately comes to corrupt them by laying upon their hearts a darkness of fear and enmity against the Elves which can never be expunged. But he is called back to Angband, having only partially completed this task.
    5 After the First and Second Battles Morgoth lures Maedhros into a conference at which he is seized by Balrogs and nailed by one hand to a cliff in Thangorodrim. His friend Fingon finds him and, lifted up by Thorondor, King of Eagles frees him by cutting off his hand. Maedhros, grateful, begs Fingolfin's pardon for the desertion in Araman. Also renounces in his favor the office of High King of the Noldor.
    7 Angrod comes from Falas bearing the words of Salmar. Salmar declares his rule not only over Falas but also over all of Beleriand; forbids Noldor settlements anywhere except in wild, unoccupied lands; denies access to Falas by any except members of the House of Finarfin, his wives friends kinsman. All the Noldor are dismayed, but Caranthir, fourth son of Fanor, angrily attacks Angrod, who becomes wrathful and departs the council. To ensure peace Maedhros takes all six of his brothers far eastward to the Hill of Himring. There he makes them wardens of the March of Maedhros against Morgoth's incursions from the north.
    20 Fingolfin as High King holds a statesmanlike Feast of Reuniting, Mereth Aderthad, near the pools of Ivrin, to heal all breaches. All the Noldor princes attend, notably Maedhros and his brother Maglor the Minstrel, with some of their warriors. Also the Sindar leaders save only those of Falas. All swear oaths of friendship. To bring Noldor and Sindar closer together, the Noldor there speak Sindarin.
    50 Warned by Ulmo in their dreams to build cities impregnable to Morgoth, Finrod and Turgon travel together looking for proper sites. Finrod discovers Nargothrond in caves dug into the bank of the River Narog, resembling Menegroth and is granted leave to dwell there by Salmar.
    51 Under Ulmo's guidance Turgon discovers among the mountains the hidden value of Tumladen, in which stands a hill of rock on which to erect a city modeled after Tirion upon Tuna in Aman.
    67 Tales are whispered concerning the deeds of the Noldor before coming to Beleriand. Cirdan, perceiving that these stories are due to the jealousies between the princes of Noldor, informs Esteloth. She becomes angry. Having the sons of Finarfin there she rebuked them. Angrod remembers Caranthir's words and speaks out in bitterness telling Esteloth all concerning the Kinslaying at Alqualond and the ship burning at Losgar. Esteloth decrees that never again shall the Noldor language be spoken in her realm.
    75 A huge legion of Orcs attacking Dorthonion is crushed between the forces of Fingolfin and Maedhros, who assail it simultaneously. The Noldor leaders establish a tight siege of Angband which lasts nearly 400 years.
    100 Turgon builds and secretly occupies the hidden city of Gondolin. Ulmo promises him that it will be the last of the Noldor strongholds to fall, and that he will send a warning of peril before that happens; thus foreshadowing the coming of Tuor. Turgon's people begin the migration from Nevrast
    155 Morgoth probes the defenses of Hithlum by sending a brigade of Orcs around it to attack from its west. Fingon falls upon them at the Firth of Drengist and drives most of them into the Sea.
    265 Perceiving that unaided Orcs cannot prevail the Noldor, Morgoth breeds Glaurung, the first Fire-drake. It emerges from Angband prematurely and is driven back in by a cavalry of Elves, who shoot arrows into its soft scales.
    256-450 A Long Peace ensues while Glaurung grows to maturity. The Noldor find leisure for arts of mind and hand. In many regions they merge with the Sindar. Sindarin becomes the dominant speech for all the Elves of Beleriand. But the Noldor princes retain Noldorin, the High Speech of the West, among themselves, and as a language of lore.
    304 Aredhel, Turgon's sister, leaves Gondolin. She is befriended by the sons of Fanor and is separated from them in Nan Dungortheb. She survives and is seduced and wedded to El the dark elf (Nan Elmoth)
    305 Men are discovered in Ossiriand by Finrod Felagund.
    306 Maeglin, son of Aredhel is born
    310 Finrod meets the Edain in Ossiriand
    311 Bor enters the service of Finrod
    345 Through his mother Aredhel, Maeglin gains access to Gondolin. El follows them and, in a quarrel in front of Turgon's throne, Aredhel is slain by a poison dart from El. El is cast over the Caragdur (a precipitous black rock formation), cursing Maeglin. Unable to win the love of Idril, the King's daughter, Maeglin seeks selfish power there.
    350 Three tribes of Men first enter Beleriand: the people of Bor, the Haladin, and the Hador. By invitation of the Noldor lords Bor's tribe joins Angrod and Aegnor, sons of Finarfin, in Dorthonion. The Hador settle in Hithlum under Fingolfin.
    355 Death of Bor
    370 The Haladin choose to live in the Forest of Brethil.
    376 Finrufin befriends the Snowmen of Lossoth.
    389 The birth of Hador, later Lord of Dor-lmin.
    432 Approximate birth of Beren Erchamion.
    441 The birth of Hurin
    443 The birth of Morwen.
    444 The birth of Huor
    445 Birth of Ereinion, later called Gil-galad.
    450 Hurin and Huor of the House of Hador, being fostered in Brethil by their uncle, Haldir, lose their way after fighting Orcs and are carried by Thorondor's Eagles into Gondolin. They persuade King Turgon to release them. Birth of Larnach.
    455 Morgoth suddenly succeeds in breaking the Siege of Angband. With swift rivers of lava he burns Ard-galen into ashes. Then with Glaurung, Balrogs, and vast battalions of Orcs, he pens Fingolfin and Fingon in Hithlum; overruns Dorthonion, killing Angrod and Aegnor; destroys Minas Ronduin, smashes open the whole March of Maedhros except the Hill of Himring held by Maedhros, Maglor and Finrun. Celegorm to Nargothrond. Rindor is ravaged and Finrufin is killed and Khelekost is destroyed. Finrod, hurrying his army northward into the fray, is trapped in the Fens of Serech, saved only by Barahir, to whom he gives his ring and swears an oath of friendship. Hador perishes (455) at Barad Eithel defending Fingolfin. Fingolfin challenges Morgoth to single combat, lames him, but is killed. Fingon becomes High King.
    456 Hrin and Huor return out of Gondolin to Dor-lmin.

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    457 Barahir sends the women and children of Bor's tribe to the Haladin and the Hador. He fights on in Dorthonion's highlands with twelve men, among them his son, Beren. Sauron drives Orodreth from Tol Sirion and, as Morgoth's chief lieutenant, occupies its tower and dungeons with his Werewolves. Easterlings enter Beleriand for the first time, many of them already corrupted by Morgoth. Maedhros allies himself with Bor and Ulfang, the former faithful, the latter not.
    462 Morgoth sends a large force of Orcs against Hithlum. Hurin holds the pass of Eithel Sirion against one army. With Cirdan's aid Fingon slaughters another coming down from the north. Hurin marries Morwen and rules the Hador in Dorlomin. Capture of Minas Tirith by the forces of Sauron. Galdor is slain in the siege of Barad Eithel.
    463 Hurin's son, Turin, is born to Morwen.
    465 By a trick Sauron learns the whereabouts of Barahir's band and dispatches Orcs, who slay them all except Beren.
    467 Maedhros tries to form a Union of all those who will fight against Morgoth, especially with Fingon. Fingon has the help of Salmar, Denethors Elves from Doriath and all the Edain. Maedhros relies on Aranw, Irim, Finvain, the Easterlings and a contingent of Dwarves.
    468-490 Beren fights on alone for four years, and then goes south to the forest of Neldoreth, where he and Luthien (who is visiting Daeron, her friend) meet and love. To win Luthien, Beren is required by Salmar to bring back as a bride price a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown. Finrod Felagund dies (469) while saving Beren from a Werewolf in Sauron's dungeon at Tol Sirion. Luthien and the hound Huan rescue Beren by driving Sauron from Tol Sirion. While Morgoth and all his court slumber under Luthien's spell of sleep Beren pries loose a Silmaril from his iron crown (469). Carcharoth swallows the Silmaril in Beren's hand and, tortured by pain, ravages Doriath. In hunting the beast Beren is mortally wounded while saving Mablung's life. Beren gives Salmar the Silmaril, cut out from Carcharoth, and perishes of his wounds. Luthien dies of grief. In Mandos' halls Luthien sings so sweetly of her love for Beren that Manw, empowered by Iluvatar, allows the lovers to return together to Ea as mortals, there to share the fate of Men when they die again. They settle on the Isle of Belar and have a son, Dior, who is heir to Esteloth's throne.
    471 As in Dagor Aglareb, the Glorious Battle, Fingon and Maedhros are to attack simultaneously from west and east. Finrun perceives Ulfangs treachery and the Easterlings are routed with the help of the Snowmen of Lossoth. Hastening to the battle they arrive punctually and Mogoth is caught between a hammer and anvil. His armies are destroyed but Morgoth escapes out of a tunnel. Fanor hastens after his enemy and knocks the crown from his head. Morgoth crushes Fanor with his mace, but his sons come up behind him and drive Morgoth and his bodyguards away. Fanor dissolves into ash, without damning Galadriel. Angband is destroyed. Finrun, Mandil, Aranw and Thoronar are slain. Birth of Tuor. Voron becomes the new king of his fathers realm.
    472 Morgoth resides in the East in the Orocarni. He sends Sauron to corrupt the Dwarves with fair promises and knowledge, and another servant to corrupt Men. Morwen gives birth to Nienor, Turin's sister.
    475 Birth of Dior Eluchl on Tol Galen.
    479 Irim crosses the Ered Luin and establishes a realm around Nenuial
    483 Morgoths new fortress is completed with the help of the Dwarves.
    485 Turin returns from his home to Menegroth, and is sacked by a roaming band of Orcs who had been fostered by Mm. Turin is rescued by Gwindor and they hunt them back to the dwarf who is slain. Turin decides to accompany Gwindor back to Nargothrond where he meets Finduilas.
    488 Turin marries Finduilas.
    491 Turanor (Master of Fire) born to Finduilas and Turin.
    493 Nimaras (White Deer) born to Finduilas and Turin.
    494 Nienor marries Hemlach.
    495 Tuor travels to Falas and is met by Ulmo who instructs him to go to Vinyamar in a dream. There he finds the armour left for him. He meets an elf of Gondolin who takes him there. Turgon and the others ignore the sign of Ulmo, Morgoth seemingly defeated.
    497 Turin is made into an Elf.
    499 Galadriel migrates into (Gondor) which is named Lothlorien. She plants the Mallorn trees there.
    500 Birth of Dior's twin sons Elured and Elurin.
    501 Celebrimbor migrates East and establishes Eregion and Ost-in-Edhil
    502 Tuor marries Idril Celebrindal, Turgon's daughter, after seven years in Gondolin.
    503 Erendil, Tuor & Idril's son, is born in Gondolin. Elwing, Dior's daughter is born in Ossiriand
    504 The Avari, troubled by the coming of Morgoth and the corruption of the Dwarves and Men flee Westward.
    505 The Avari arrive in Beleriand and warn them of Morgoths rising power in the East, but are largely ignored, save by Salmar who still continues to receive impressions by Ulmo. Salmar begins a large armarment of ships.
    506 Tuor is made into an Elf.
    510 Nimaras marries Elured. Erineld (Morning Bell) born to Tuor and Idril
    519 Oropher migrates beyond the Hithaeglir and establishes a realm in Emyn Duin in Eryn Lasgalen with many of the Avari and a few Sindar.
    525 Tuor organizes another attempt into the West with his family. Tuors ship wrecks on Belar; he and his family are fostered by Dior and Nimloth and their children Elurn and Elwing, they refuse to explain where they are from.
    527 Elwing and Erendil marry.
    528 Elros and Elrond are born to Erendil and Elwing.
    534 Turanor and Erineld marry.
    540 Tuor, Idril, Turin, Finduilas, Dior, Nimloth and their desendants leave for the Mouths of Anduin with many Sindar and establish Dor-in-Peredhil and the port of Nimlond.

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    No...seriously...I need aid. I'm totally story-stuck.

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    Can you rephrase the question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King View Post
    Can you rephrase the question?
    Sure. Where do I go from here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zehnwaters2 View Post
    Sure. Where do I go from here?
    Can you rephrase 'here' in paragraph format?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King View Post
    Can you rephrase 'here' in paragraph format?
    *Deep breath* Okay, so you see where my gigantic timeline ends? Morgoth all out East, the Elves kingdoms expanding, Turin, Tuor and their posterity settling the Mouths of Anduin, Galadriel settling "Gondor" and what not? Yeah, I'm stuck there. How do I end my story? Another giant battle? Like world-scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zehnwaters2 View Post
    *Deep breath* Okay, so you see where my gigantic timeline ends? Morgoth all out East, the Elves kingdoms expanding, Turin, Tuor and their posterity settling the Mouths of Anduin, Galadriel settling "Gondor" and what not? Yeah, I'm stuck there. How do I end my story? Another giant battle? Like world-scale?
    The Rise of the Dwarven Marx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King View Post
    The Rise of the Dwarven Marx.
    Communism? Okay, now it's time for you to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zehnwaters2 View Post
    Communism? Okay, now it's time for you to explain.
    Well, it'd be interesting, wouldn't it?
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    Personally, I thought of "brothers" and not "Karl" when I read TTK's comment (joke?) there.

    It is an impressive list of events that you have there. But there is no possibility to give any input to it without knowing what purpose it has. Is it just for it's own sake, or will this be used as background for adventures for the characters? If the later, what do you have in mind for the players, etc. All we can see is the list, but nothing of your ideas behind it.

    P.S. Oh, and TTK... Play nice.

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    You ask a context-free question, you get a non sequitor answer... : P

    Seriously, though, you're going to have to give us more (different) information if we're going to make sense of this.
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    Right, so it's a revisionist version of The Silmarillion. All new background along with filler from stuff that never got put into the published work (ie the Daughters of Finw). I've altered a lot of events to suit the changes, and my conclusion was Morgoth being driven from his fortress to out East, where he subsequently corrupts the Dwarves and Men. The story is mostly for my own purposes but could get used as background for an RPG.

    That is where I'm coming from, that is where I'm stuck. I don't know what to do from there. Does Morgoth come back with a vengeance? Does he wipe out the good guys? What?

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    Ah, I believe my miscommunication lies in a lack of understanding what an "Infinities" is. It's basically a "What If...?", but "Infinities" is what Star Wars called it.

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    Well, who're your characters? When are they being played?
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