Incorporating JJ-Trek into campaigns

[Aldaron]

If you wanted to keep the event, but ditch the entire Nero/red-matter/Spock subplot you could drag in something to do with the Omega molecule, perhaps?

[Sea Tyger]

We've had 'stellar-level' events before; the Praxis accident and the Amargosa collapse come to mind.

Praxis was a moon, not a star, so it's not a "stellar" event. And, given that it was the Klingons' major source of dilithium, I'd expect a subspace shockwave from a catastrophic breakup of the moon. Not to mention, the only known effects outside its star system were to damage a Federation starship that happened to be caught in the shockwave.

Amargosa's effects were limited to its immediate area.

That's why I called the Hobus star's supernova an unprecedented stellar event. It's not because it was a stellar event, but because of the massive interstellar effects of the explosion. Planets light years away were destroyed!

[Aldaron]

Perhaps Hobus was contaminated with dilithium or somesuch and then underwent a hypernova, which caused a "subspace burster" reaction?? Essentially, it would be to a supernova what Praxis was to a nuclear meltdown

So an uber-powerful gamma-ray burster, emitting in a spherical shell, at superluminal velocities.

Nasty...

[The Tatterdemalion King]

Perhaps (thinking of ways to incorporate a twist into an episode) a subspace event was the trigger for Hobus to explode, which would be the first indication of something which could then reach light-years away. Characters attempting to discern the cause of the supernova may be pointed to ancient alien supertech or some subspace entity or domain wherein they confront the real problem.

[Owen E Oulton]

I've copied the STO timeline writeups through to 2390 to mine for ideas. My campaign is currently set in 2381, just a couple of years after Nemesis, set on Cretok Nor, yet another abandoned Cardassian station, patterned after 1950s Berlin.

[Nuclear Fridge]

Praxis was a moon, not a star, so it's not a "stellar" event. And, given that it was the Klingons' major source of dilithium, I'd expect a subspace shockwave from a catastrophic breakup of the moon. Not to mention, the only known effects outside its star system were to damage a Federation starship that happened to be caught in the shockwave.

Amargosa's effects were limited to its immediate area.

That's why I called the Hobus star's supernova an unprecedented stellar event. It's not because it was a stellar event, but because of the the massive interstellar effects of the explosion. Planets light years away were destroyed!

Mea Culpa.
Perhaps my thinking is being influenced by too much Hollywood. Really Big Bangs are cool and all that...

And we are still talking about a franchise whose writing has popped out a few howlers over the years. I loved Harry Kim's analysis of Borg ship debris -- "damaged, but intact". How does that work, exactly?

So okay, in terms of the blast radius and devastation, Hobus going 'pop' is an unique case.

[Hadeshorn]

Since I've been doing a crapload of research for my JJ-Trek campaign, I wanted to toss out some info that I've accumulated in case people haven't read my thread.

1) Admiral Janeway did some exploration of the Romulas and Hobus systems after the supernova and has decided they were definitely not the result of a natural event. She theorizes, based on things she finds, that Hobus went nova as a result of the Romulans experimenting with Borg tech and subspace weapons. The reason Spock works so hard and so fast to try and stop the explosion is that they are afraid the wave will continue destroying systems all across the Alpha Quadrant because of the nature of subspace weapons.

2) Taking into account things I've learned playing STO so far, here is how they explain some things: Warning, Possible Spoilers:

a) With the Romulans so devistated, the Klingons go apeshit on them to the point of withdrawing from the Khitomer Accords.

b) Species 8472 become the new "shapeshifter menace" in the galaxy successfully infiltrating most major governments and even some of the smaller powers. This infiltration leads to the Klingons conquering the Gorn to expose the Undine presence.

c) Rogue Klingons begin dredging up old Eugenics information and are attempting to figure out how to genetically modify Klingons without the disasterous results from before.

There's quite a bit more, but I don't want to spoil too much. That should give you some extra oomph.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

a) With the Romulans so devistated, the Klingons go apeshit on them to the point of withdrawing from the Khitomer Accords.

This also jives with "All Good Things..." although there's also the possibility of various revanchist elements of the Empire at the edges of their territory. The RSE is a big place; if the barbarians sack Romulus, where's their Constatinoplion?

[Sarge]

This also jives with "All Good Things..." although there's also the possibility of various revanchist elements of the Empire at the edges of their territory. The RSE is a big place; if the barbarians sack Romulus, where's their Constatinoplion?

Constantinoplion was never the same after it was sacked. That's why it's now known as Istanbul&#!+.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

Constantinoplion was never the same after it was sacked. That's why it's now known as Istanbul&#!+.

Constantinople was sacked by Venetians eight hundred years later after Rome... and Istanbul is a Turkish pronunciation of the medieval Greek for "In The City." The Ottomans themselves still called it Constantinople until the rise of the Republic of Turkey.

The point, though, is that there are probably outposts which will maintain continuity with the old Romulus, like the Eastern Empire of the Romans.

[JALU3]

Perhaps, the areas closest to the Klingon border and the areas effected by the "event" (whatever you want to make of it) become the Western Europe of the former RSE, with Remii and a few other scattered systems attempting to carry on, like the Byzantine Empire did, itself, with a loose alliance with the Federation. Or worse, it is propped up by the Federation to attempt to maintain some semblance of control, where no control actually exist outside of its own system, save a small compound in the other systems that give lip service to allegiance. In that way it could be like an interstellar Afghanistan type scenario.

On the map its still all RSE, but "on the ground" allegiances are not what they seem. Actual control is to Klingon backed elements, that use the Klingon Empire for cover to recoup and to launch raids, all while Q'onos gives lip service to peace and continued alliance, while those uncontrolled houses carve new territory for themselves in the RSE. Remii is corrupt, with what assistance the Federation supplies is used to line the pockets of different fifedoms. Warlords, nominal members of the RSN, control the star lanes between systems, and rarely travel outside their area of control, making the RSN ineffective as a total fighting force.

Just an idea.

[Doug Taylor]

Just read through this entire thread and there's a lot of good ideas in here. In our campaign the RSE is still active and strong (we're playing in 2380, just after Nemesis). I plan on incorporating some use of Iconian Gateways (which are effectively stargates) to bring some far-away menaces into the Beta Quadrant - likely Borg and probably Species 8472 as well.

Some of the stuff here is inspiring me to add in some long term plans WRT to the Klingons and how they might have designs on the RSE. Not to mention that I'll likely have the Romulans tinkering with subspace weapons and possibly incorporating found Borg tech as well. Perhaps I'll have the Borg come through a Gateway with the sole purpose of trying to recover their tech. If the PCs stop long enough to figure things out (rather than just slaughtering them on first sight), they'll be able to realize this.